MINUTES
OF MEETING
PORT
OF THE
COMMUNITY
IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT
The regular meeting of the Board of
Supervisors of the Port of the Islands Community Improvement District was held
Present and constituting a quorum
were:
Richard Gatti Chairman
Bernard Wolsky Supervisor
Ted Bissell Supervisor
John Robinson Supervisor
Also present were:
Darrin Mossing District
Assistant Manager
Daniel Cox District Counsel
Ronald Benson District Engineer
Tim Stephens Field Manager
Jim Coletta Commissioner District 5
Numerous residents
The following is a summary of the
actions taken at the
FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS Roll Call
Mr. Gatti called the meeting to
order at
Mr. Gatti stated before we get into
any business, we really appreciate the turnout.
I know that a lot of you people, I hope, are interested in what the
activities of the CID are, which is great.
You are probably here, also, for information on the litigation matter.
There is really nothing that is
going to be discussed this morning. We
are going to meet at
Mr. Cox
stated that is something that Mr. Sulese is going to have to consider and if he
wants to try to do that with the cost and complications involved in that. I would think they may want to go another
avenue, like representatives from the different parts of the community that he
can use as liaisons to stay in contact with all the other people.
Mr. Gatti stated in that regard, we
are going to meet with Andy Sulese, who has indicated interest. He is an expert in this area of law. He has indicated an interest in representing
us. His concern - and Dan please correct
me if I am off-base here - his concern is dealing with "X" amount of
people, whatever that is - two/three hundred - would become totally, from a
logistic standpoint, impossible.
What we had suggested at the big
meeting here is that we meet with the presidents of the various
associations. We would like those people
to be here at
Mr. Cox stated the only thing I want
to make clear is that Mr. Sulese is not committed yet. This is just as much an informational meeting
for him, also.
Mr. Gatti stated that is why I am
not anxious to have 200 people there.
Because it may create a different picture in his mind. I want him to understand that it will be an
organized group and that it will be a manageable group, and that the Board will
be involved to some degree. We have to
watch that a little bit, because just like our attorney, we have to watch a
potential conflict of interest.
Sometimes the pure interest of the
CID may be a little different than your individual interest. I do not see how that could happen, because
you are the CID. However, that is how it
has been explained to me.
The meeting having to do with the
litigation with the attorney will be at
Now, later on in our program, as we
usually do, we have the opportunity for the Board to bring up any matters that
they want or for you to bring up any matters that you want. If you have anything that you want to talk
about that is CID-related, other than the law suit - but this is your
meeting. If there is some particular
question you really want answered, we will deal with it as best we can.
I really do not want to open that
box just yet, until we get our facts all lined up. That is the litigation part. Good news and a little bit of a downside of
it. Commissioner Jim Coletta, who is
president of the
Let me explain that just a little
bit, and certainly Commissioner Coletta can do better than I can. Commissioner Coletta, in addition to being
president of the Board, represents this area on the
We have to tell you that it is really
not a CID matter, that is a County matter.
Commissioner Coletta's office has been very, very responsive. The incidents we have gone there with, we
have always gotten a good response. We
are privileged to have him here. I am
going to ask him to say a few words after we conduct our CID business.
He will also be available after the
meeting to sit down with any one of you individually and talk about any
particular subject you want to talk about.
Let us conduct our Board meeting real quickly.
SECOND
ORDER OF BUSINESS Approval of
Minutes of the February 15, 2002 Meeting
Mr. Wolsky stated I have one change,
if I might. On one of the pages here it
mentions that Mr. Coletta wanted to set up a specific association in
ON MOTION by Mr.
Bissell, seconded by Mr. Wolsky, with all in favor, the minutes of the
THIRD
ORDER OF BUSINESS Award of
Contract for the Construction of 10" Fire/Irrigation/Reclaimed Water Main
and Reclaimed Water System
Mr. Gatti stated I have looked over
these prices. With the Board's
permission, Ron step in here if you would like.
Mr. Benson stated I am distributing
the summary you have in front of you.
Mr. Gatti stated if you look at the
submitted bids, Port of the Islands is low and they have not submitted a bond,
which means that they did not respond to the bid. We asked for the bond in the bid documents?
Mr. Benson responded yes, we did.
Mr. Gatti stated that is a
non-responsive bid, so they are out regardless.
The other prices are way too high.
I would recommend to the Board that we re-bid this. I will personally talk to Ron, and get him to
get a couple of small contractors to bid this, and we are going to save
$50,000/$60,000, because I looked at some of the unit prices and I know we can
do better than that.
This will delay us at least until
the next meeting. What does this do to
us in terms of our grant? The grant is
not involved in it. Yes it is.
Mr. Benson responded we have a grant
from South Florida Water Management District for $75,000 to cover a portion of
this project. The other side of that
means they pay up to fifty percent. The
project has to be greater than $150,000.
Our original estimates was that it was between a $150,000 and $200,000
project. They said they would fund up to
$75,000.
We were given an extension until
December 14, 2002 to complete this project.
This is approximately a three-month project.
Mr. Gatti stated if we wait another
month, we are all right.
Mr. Benson stated yes, we are.
Mr. Gatti asked what is the Board's
feeling on this?
Mr. Wolsky asked what is required to
have this re-bid; do we need a motion?
Mr. Gatti responded that we not
accept these bids and that we turn down all of the bids and re-bid it.
ON MOTION by Mr.
Wolsky, seconded by Mr. Bissell, with all in favor, the current bids are
rejected and Staff is authorized and directed to re-bid the project.
FOURTH
ORDER OF BUSINESS Award of Contract
for Wetland Monitoring Services
Mr. Benson stated with the
wastewater treatment plant, we have a permit from the State of Florida for
disposal of our treated effluent. Our
treated effluent is treated to advanced wastewater treatment standards, and
then goes into this wetland area.
Under the permit, we have to be
monitored and submit reports to the State of Florida. The District Manager's office requested bids,
and Darrin can tell you who they sent requests out to. However, the bottom line is, the request was
to do the work required in your permit.
Darrin can maybe tell us specifics about it. It was advertised and everything.
Mr. Mossing stated Sanders was the
only contractor to respond.
Mr. Gatti asked how does this
compare to last year?
Mr. Mossing responded it is a
savings of approximately $3,000 per year.
Mr. Gatti asked they did a good job
for us?
Mr. Mossing responded yes.
Mr. Gatti stated this is the young
lady that came in and talked to us several years ago. She sold the business, though.
Mr. Wolsky asked if we are going to
use the effluent for irrigation water, does that affect this in any way?
Mr. Benson responded no. The water quality to go to the wetlands is
actually a higher-quality water than for irrigation standards. However, we need to retain both systems once we
go with the reclaimed water for irrigation, because it is our backup. In case the demand for irrigation water was
less than what is being produced. We do
need to retain this, and we need this.
ON MOTION by Mr.
Bissell, seconded by Mr. Wolsky, with all in favor, Sanders Laboratories is
approved as the contractor for wetland monitoring services at a rate of $10,388
for a two-year term.
Mr. Gatti stated before we go into
staff reports, maybe Mr. Coletta could talk about the County.
Mr. Coletta stated I really do appreciate
you inviting me here today. I feel very
fortunate that I am the Commissioner for District 5. It is a very diverse district. It is 85 percent of the County, the one
district, so you can see I am very busy.
I am covering all the way from Everglades City to Immokalee, and all the
Estates area. It keeps me on the road
quite a bit. However, it is an area I
have been quite familiar with for quite a few years.
I moved here in 1984 from Elmira,
New York. My wife is a registered nurse
with Hospice. My four children and my
five grandchildren all live here. I feel
very fortunate. Indeed, you people
should feel fortunate. You not only live
in the nicest place in the United States, but you live in the very best place
in that County in the United States.
Port of the Islands is, indeed, beautiful. You are extremely fortunate.
I just wish my circumstances would
come around some day where I could afford to buy a condominium here. I just would absolutely love it to be able to
spend my weekends here now, and then later retire somehow and be
full-time. At this point in time, I need
to be more centrally located in my District so I can reach out and not spend
any more time driving than necessary.
Being a County Commissioner is
something that I truly enjoy. I am very
much involved in everything that takes place in the District, and that is why I
wanted to be here today to be able to see what your problems are, even if they
go past what the scope of the County is.
I am involved in such things as clam
farming in Everglades City, helping them get that started. Starting a post office in Copeland, and
removing derelict housing in Immokalee.
I have taken on many different projects.
It is something I truly love doing.
I am driven. I am more of a
community activist than I am a political type of person.
I draw people together who have
similar interests and we get things done.
I have done it all. I have been
the president of about 12 to 13 organizations since I arrived here. I have done it all from putting together an
Indian uprising, to putting down a riot in a Florida sports park. I have seen it all at one time or another.
I enjoy what I did before, and I
enjoy what I am doing now. I just want
you to know that I got my cards up here and I am truly accessible. If you need to get hold of me, I prefer
E-mail and telephone calls, in that order above everything else. Past that, faxes and regular letters are
fine. If you can reach me by E-mail or
by telephone, I can usually give you a response in a fairly short order of
time, and you will also be able to follow the responses, especially by E-mail.
I built a whole system up in the
County where you get to see every time it goes out to a new department and
comes to a final conclusion, one way or the other. That makes you feel more a part of the
system.
As was mentioned, I also am involved
in putting together civic associations where they are lacking to try to get the
people involved on a grassroots level.
You already have this association.
I think this serves your needs well.
Any time you want to come out and
talk to me about any matters, or you want to talk to me, I am truly
available. My cards are up here. At the end of the meeting, go ahead and pick
one up and we will take it from there.
Thank you very much for your time.
FIFTH ORDER OF BUSINESS Staff Reports
A. Attorney
(There being none, the next agenda
item was addressed.)
B. Engineer
Mr. Benson stated I have a couple of
items. One is, there was a letter from
Charles Nelson at 162 Sunset Cay requesting some assistance regarding the
access to his dock. There is a drainage
swale at the back of all these properties over in the Cays area. Therefore, in order to access a dock, you
have to cross the CID's easement for drainage.
There is other docks and access to
these docks. I guess at this time
Collier County is a little more formal and they need some paperwork signed that
he has the CID's permission to cross the easement on his property.
Mr. Gatti stated yes, we have done
this before.
Mr. Benson stated I think we have
done this before. I looked at it. It is not impeding our drainage. As far as those aspects, I see no reason for
the CID not to grant his request.
Mr. Gatti stated I think the Board's
familiar with it. You have the same
situation at your house.
Mr. Wolsky responded right.
Mr. Gatti stated this is simply
building a little bridge across that easement so he can get down to the dock.
Mr. Benson stated it has already
been built, but the County is requiring that he have some type of a use
agreement or whatever is required to get the C.O.
Mr. Gatti stated okay. With the Board's permission, this is almost a
housekeeping matter. We are not going to
deny anybody access to their dock.
Whenever it comes up, with the Board's permission, I think you need
somebody's signature on there; do you not?
Mr. Benson responded well you will
need, I guess, Mr. Cox to write some letter of agreement.
Mr. Cox stated just do a recordable
license and use agreement where he can cross our easement. Make it clear that if we ever need to
maintain the swale that we can.
Mr. Gatti asked can we can
something?
Mr. Cox responded yes
Mr. Gatti asked why do we not can
something? Develop a form that is
applicable to all of this. We develop it
once, and whenever this situation comes up, we sign it and that is it. Does the Board go along with that rather than
bring this up at each Board meeting?
(Whereupon, the Board indicated
their concurrence.)
Mr. Cox stated go ahead and do a
motion to approve it.
ON MOTION by Mr.
Wolsky, seconded by Mr. Robinson, with all in favor, Mr. Nelson shall be
granted an easement using a recordable license and use agreement. District Counsel is authorized and directed
to create a form for future Board action for this issue.
Mr. Benson stated I have one other
item that relates to our reclaimed water system that we just talked about. In order to keep the cost of that project as
low as possible, we have researched getting some used equipment. Collier County had a reused pump station that
was being surplused and we were aware of it and thought we had it all lined up.
I believe there has been some
discussion on this before, but the bottom line is, the County has now decided
that they did not want to just give it to Port of the Islands, that they were
going to bid it out as surplus equipment and anybody could bid on it. That is one option for us, to put in a bid.
Another option, as kind of a
coincidence or an opportunity, an organization that I am familiar with in town
- a charity - had someone donate some property to them that they could
potentially sell as money for this charitable organization. It happens to be a used golf course
irrigation pump station with control panels.
A golf course basically totally
rebuilt their golf course, bought all new equipment. They have the equipment that would suit our
needs. They are donating it to charity
as a charitable contribution.
This organization called me and said
did I know anybody that might need a pump station or any way it could use these
pumps. There is a potential opportunity
to negotiate with this charitable organization to buy this used pump
station. I have been told probably
$1,000 would do it.
Mr. Gatti asked do you know the
condition of it?
Mr. Benson responded I have seen
it. It appears to be in good
condition. The new one has already been
put in place. The old one is sitting in
their yard. I went out and looked at
it. It appears that it looks in good
condition. It is about the size that we
need.
Mr. Gatti asked why did they replace
it?
Mr. Benson responded well, you may
know about the Palm River Golf Course and County Club up in North Naples, the
La Playa Resort there on the beach wanted a golf course and a country
club. They bought this facility. They have totally rebuilt it. They just decided they needed something new,
because it would be slightly different conditions for this new golf course with
more lakes and things of that nature.
Mr. Gatti asked how does this
compare to the one the County had?
Mr. Benson responded they are
similar.
Mr. Gatti stated I am concerned
about buying a used piece of equipment.
If somebody else got rid of it, why did they get rid of it, and are we
buying troubles. Let me back up just a
little bit, and Jim, you probably know about this.
The County staff had it lined up to
give this to Port of the Islands.
Everglades City also indicated an interest in getting this piece of
equipment. Therefore, staff was in the
position of saying, hey, we have to say yes to somebody and no to somebody
else. To be fair to everybody, they said
well, okay, we will bid this thing.
Whoever wants it can come to the County auction and whoever is the
bidder gets it.
Would it be worthwhile looking to
see what it is worth?
Mr. Benson stated I guess the reason
I mentioned the other opportunity is, is for instance, if we bid on the one
from Collier County and we do not get it, and Everglades City or any private
party bids on it - it is not just for any government entities, it is up for
open bid - if someone else outbids us, at least maybe there is a fall back
position.
Mr. Gatti asked what should be an
outside number that we could, as the Board, authorize in bidding? If anybody lives in Everglades City, please
leave the room.
Mr. Coletta stated I understand what
is happening here, and neither one of you want to spend any more money than you
are spending. I do not know. It is probably unethical for you to go down
there and actually talk to Sammy Hamilton.
However, maybe if no one knew about it.
You have a fallback position. Maybe they have something else going. It is just that I hate to see either one of
you spend a lot of money for something.
I would like to see it sell for one dollar to one of you. Maybe even settle it with a coin toss. Why bid this thing right out to the top
dollar amount, then your community is out all that resources - you or
Everglades City.
I know that their money is extremely
tight. I do not know how they ever make
ends meet. I assure you, your money, you
would like to spend it on other things, too.
I think one dollar is a fair price for that pump.
Mr. Gatti stated that is a good
suggestion.
Mr. Bissell stated I understand that
they are not even going to bid on it, from what I hear. Now, that is just what I have heard. They were expecting to get it for free.
Mr. Benson stated well, so were we.
Mr. Coletta stated there became the
problem.
Mr. Gatti stated in fairness to the
County staff, they did the right thing.
I have no problem with that.
Mr. Benson stated Mr. Cox and I were
just talking. We are not sure we know
when the bid date is, because I believe they sent a letter to Mr. Cox in
response to our request and indicated when bid, they would let us know.
Mr. Gatti stated try this on for
size. Asking the Board's approval, can
we let Mr. Stephens do this? I do not
think the Board should be involved, particularly myself, because I work for a
government agency to begin with. Can we
authorize Mr. Stephens to bid up to $100 on this thing? Would you guys buy into this? Does that make sense?
Mr. Cox responded I do not
know. I do not know what the situation
is going to be. When we get the bid
information, we can make a better determination.
Mr. Gatti stated I am just kind of
feeling the Board out. Does the Board
buy into this? What is the pump worth?
Mr. Cox stated look at it this way,
too. The other organization that has one
has stuck the price on it of $1,000. I
do not know how arbitrary that was.
Mr. Benson stated it is pretty
arbitrary.
Mr. Cox stated without knowing the
condition of the pump or anything, we are looking at a grand.
Mr. Gatti stated let us not make a
big deal out of it. The point is, let us
find out what is going on, then we will take it from there.
Mr. Benson stated to buy this
equipment new is more than $50,000.
Mr. Wolsky stated then let us not
quibble.
Mr. Benson stated I mean, this is
not new equipment - either of these.
Mr. Gatti stated we have had very
good luck with some of the stuff that we have picked up from the County. The filter, for example.
Mr. Benson stated actually, that was
from Sarasota County, and they had not used it yet.
Mr. Gatti stated let us find out
what the facts are. I think I have a
sense of what the Board is saying. If we
can get a $20,000 piece of equipment for $500, go ahead and do it; is that what
I am hearing?
Mr. Wolsky responded absolutely.
Mr. Gatti stated or something like
that, or some judgment factor. Okay.
C. Manager
(There being none, the next agenda
item was addressed.)
D. Field Manager
Mr. Gatti stated this is Tim
Stephens. He is the operator of our
water treatment plant and our sewage treatment plant, and he also takes care of
everything else that goes wrong here at the Port that is part of the CID.
The reason I am introducing him is
because you could avoid making an extra call when you call me, if you call Tim
directly on a problem. Tim is very
responsive. He is on-call 24 hours a
day, seven days a week.
If you see something that is wrong -
a sprinkler system that is not operating right, we are concerned with water
main breaks, or anything like that that is out of the ordinary, Tim is the guy
to call. His number is in our book.
Mr. Stephens stated I have one item,
and that was the pump station which just started up last month. I still have that line restriction going to
the new pump station. I believe Port of
the Islands Construction was going to repair that. Nothing has been done on that.
Mr. Gatti asked what is the
ramifications of that? What is happening
as a result of that restriction?
Mr. Stephens responded it is like it
is under pressure a lot, because it is so restricted. It is like you put your finger over the end
of a hose pipe and it starts spraying real hard out, instead of just a nice
steady flow coming out.
Mr. Bissell asked this should be
done at the expense of Port of the Islands?
Mr. Gatti responded the developer,
absolutely.
Mr. Stephens stated I asked Jerry
McNeil, which was the engineer for Hole, Montes who is in charge of that, to
submit something to Port of the Islands Construction.
Mr. Gatti asked are you familiar
with this, Ron?
Mr. Benson responded yes, I am. What it is, is the new pump station Port of
the Islands Construction built to replace an old one that was a CID pump
station. In doing that work, there is -
or since the time of that work, something else in our system nearby is not
functioning the way it used to. The best
judgment at this point is that something related to that construction activity
potentially damaged an existing pipe.
There is a couple of ways to fix
that. They have been presented to Port
of the Islands Construction and the developer, and as Tim says, nothing has
been done yet. Tim and I have talked
about it. I think the best way to look
at it is, it needs to be fixed.
If, when they fix it, in doing that
we find that it was something that has been there before they were involved, I
guess it would be our responsibility to reimburse them. However, from the best we can tell, it was working
for many years until they did some work right near there. They ought to take care of it.
Mr. Gatti stated I do not know if
you can answer this Commissioner. The
way we handle it in the City, when we have a problem like this with a
developer, is he does not get an occupancy permit until he satisfies the
requirements of the infrastructure - whatever he is involved in.
Mr. Coletta stated I have to check
into that. I know where it comes to a
road emptying into another road - in other words, if they did not build the
roads that were necessary within the community that hook up to 41 - I know in
that particular case, Falling Waters, we just cut off their permits until they
resolved the situation with Florida DOT.
Very possibly, that might be
true. I would more than happy to check
it out for you. However, I cannot tell
you. Sometimes there are private
agreements - your attorney could explain it - that exists between the tenants
and the developer that we do not have any jurisdiction over.
Mr. Gatti stated what I would like
to do is ask Ron Benson to call County staff and ask them to withhold the
occupancy permit at our direction until this thing is resolved.
Mr. Coletta asked can I help you
with this a little bit?
Mr. Gatti responded yes, sir.
Mr. Coletta stated do not call them,
E-mail them. You need a permanent record
at all times that is going to grow as things go along, and that there is no
doubt who said what and what happened.
CC a copy to me personally.
Mr. Gatti asked does the Board
subscribe to what I am saying?
Mr. Wolsky responded absolutely.
Mr. Bissell responded yes.
Mr. Wolsky stated we will stop you
if we do not agree.
Mr. Gatti stated I do not want to be
real punitive, but on the other hand, we have to get this guy's attention. Richard is not here. If this is going to cause problems for us
down the line, we better take care of it now before this all disappears.
Mr. Bissell asked Tim will be aware
when they repair this?
Mr. Benson responded oh, yes.
Mr. Gatti asked you are going to
call the County staff?
Mr. Benson responded right.
Mr. Gatti stated oh, you are going
to E-mail the County staff.
Mr. Benson responded yes. We will take care of it. As I said, just in fairness, I think, if at
the time they open up this hole and it is something they did not cause, we
would then take care of the problem.
However, I am gathering from everything I have heard, it is from damage
that they caused.
Mr. Gatti stated we understand. No problem.
The Board is okay with that?
(Whereupon, the Board indicated
their concurrence.)
Mr. Gatti stated mosquito spraying
also comes under Tim's jurisdiction, prerogative, whatever. In addition to having licenses for the water
treatment plants - special licenses which he has to have - special licenses to
operate the sewage treatment plant, which he has to have, he also has to have a
special license to disperse this kind of material that we do for mosquito
spraying. Tim has a lot of
background. We are very fortunate to
have him.
SIXTH
ORDER OF BUSINESS Supervisors
Requests and Audience Comments
Mr. Wolsky stated a week ago, I
stood in front of a group that had gotten together to discuss the litigation
and said that I would like everybody's E-mail addresses who wants to be kept
apprised of what is going on. I had
something like forty when I asked the question.
Now I have 105 E-mail addresses.
It is a wonderful system.
It is amazing what you can
accomplish with E-mail. I really, really
encourage - and I really support - Commissioner Coletta, because you have a
record - almost - that never goes away.
You can destroy it and it is still there. People can dig into the files and get it all
out.
Be circumspect in what you say, and
I will be circumspect in what I answer to you.
It is a wonderful method of communicating. This is the largest turnout we have had for a
CID meeting, incidently. It is probably
because of the E-mail input here.
Therefore, encourage all your friends to send their E-mail addresses. If you do not have E-mail, it is high time
that you bought a computer and entered the 21st century. Ask your kids how it works. That is all I have.
Mr. Gatti stated without a regular
newsletter, and I understand putting a newsletter together is not the easiest
thing, particularly when it is all volunteers - without having that regularly
coming in front of us, this makes a great way to transmit information to
everybody on a timely basis. Any others?
Again, thank you very much for
making the hotel available to us at that last meeting. I know it totally disrupted your operation,
but we really appreciate it. Any
audience comments?
Ms. Cain stated we have been here
about four years. Each year at these
meetings it has been discussed about fire protection and ambulance
service. Nothing has happened. Maybe it is not feasible to have that right
now, but at least I think we should have what we call first responders.
I am qualified. I am a nurse.
I spent 23 years on an ambulance service. I am a CPR instructor. I would be glad to offer my services in
organizing a group of first responders, and even teaching them if necessary.
Mr. Gatti stated just a little bit
of background. I think there is some
activity at the County at this level, but I am not really sure where it is
at. Going back about two or three years,
a group of us got certified as volunteer firemen. We went through the classes, got certified,
went through a burning house - scared the hell out of us. I thought Bob Genung and I were going to
spend the rest of our days in the little town over here.
Be that as it may, we started this activity