MINUTES OF MEETING
PORT OF THE
COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT
The regular meeting of the Board of
Supervisors of the Port of the Islands Community Improvement District was held
on
Present and constituting a quorum
were:
Ted
Bissell Chairman
Dale
Lambert Vice Chairman
Norine
Dillon Secretary
Richard
Gatti Assistant
Secretary
Richard
Ziko Assistant
Secretary
Also present were:
Calvin
Teague District Manager
Dan
Cox Attorney
Ron
Benson Engineer
Robert
Edge Field
Operator
Tom
Mack Staff
Emilio
Rodriguez Isles
of
Alan
McLaughlin Ochopee
Fire Department
Martin
Ortiz Lykins-Signtek
C.R.
Custer Resident
George
Kramer Resident
Duane
Otto Resident
Kay
Otto Resident
Tom
Weis Resident
FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS Roll
Call
Mr. Bissell called the meeting to
order and Mr. Teague called the roll.
FOURTH ORDER OF BUSINESS Attorney’s Report –
Discussion of Purchase of Fire Station
Mr. Bissell stated Mr. Mack and a
couple of members of the fire department wish to make a presentation.
Mr. Mack stated Mr. Rodriguez from
the Isles of
Ms. Dillon asked what kind of a
commitment letter will we be able to get from the county which says they will
pay for it?
Mr. Mack responded they will want to
discuss POI’s budgeting parameters.
Mr. McLaughlin stated we were told
Chief Wilson will not be coming back.
Therefore, I will probably become Chief and Chief Rodriguez was my supervisor
for the last five years. We are actually
looking to consolidate the Isles of Capri, and Ochopee in the management realm
as opposed to the District realm in order to reduce overhead costs to the
taxpayers on both sides. It does not
make sense to create another position if it is not necessary because we can
certainly operate a 27-man department easily.
In this context, we have known this for a long time and we have not
talked to Chief Wilson, but I believe you compromised two years ago because of
the population in the city of
Ms. Dillon asked is there any other
area asked to purchase the land for a fire station?
Mr. McLaughlin responded not that I
am aware of.
Mr. Rodriguez stated when you have a
development this size come up for a PUD, the fire department will allow the
developer to build there, but you need to set aside 1½ acres for an emergency
services facility. We do not know what
happened when this area decided to build.
Although I do not want to say the fire department dropped the ball,
apparently these new developments should have been addressed at the time with
the developers that it was acceptable to build all of these homes and
condominiums only if 1½ acres was set aside for emergency services as part of
the stipulation for a PUD. Since this
did not happen, we now have a situation in which the department does not have
enough money to purchase the land because of the tax cuts which are being
brought to all emergency services throughout Florida by our Governor, and again
in January in which we are all going to vote for another tax cut, which will
cause all emergency services to cut back on their budget again. We are here to determine whether or not you can
purchase the land after which we will lease it back from you for the amount you
are paying over 30 years, making it easier for the fire district to place a
temporary facility since there is money in the budget to do so. We have the trucks and resources to do this. The only other issue we have to deal with is
manpower. We may be able to do a
manpower swap with DMF and actually have an ALS engine here, which means we get
a paramedic from
Mr. Lambert asked will we definitely
have EMS-qualified people out here?
Mr. Rodriguez responded you will
have firefighter EMTs equipped with basic life support.
Mr. Lambert stated I am concerned in
the event someone has a heart attack.
Mr. McLaughlin stated 80% percent of
the calls are medical-related and 20% are fire-related.
Ms. Dillon stated if you have $4,000
per month for leasing in the budget, perhaps the county can get a loan from a
bank to purchase a property and pay it off monthly.
Mr. McLaughlin stated I cannot
comment because I do not have any supporting information to give you.
Mr. Rodriguez stated we are also
looking at a timeline. We basically
completed the entire budget for
T Mr. Bissell stated there will be
another development to the northeast of here at the location of the old
trailer.
Mr. McLaughlin stated since the PUD
has not gone through yet, I went to the Bar Code Official’s office and left a
note which said, if this PUD comes through we must review it because if we do
not have a property we will require them to give us one for development.
Mr. Lambert stated the site plan for
fire was signed off for Orchid Cove.
Mr. Rodriguez stated this was signed
off by the previous administration.
Mr. McLaughlin stated we have only
been here for six weeks.
Mr. Rodriguez stated we want to try
to resolve the problem now. I have been
with the Isles of Capri for 19 years and we are aware there is a problem here;
we know there is a need here; and we have the resources to put a truck and a
trailer here. However, we do not have
the resources for land to put the trailer on.
Mr. Gatti stated I wonder if it is
necessary for us to own the land for a temporary facility. Can we make the land available to you for
three or four years and use it recognizing it is a temporary facility?
Mr. Mack responded you will eventually
need a permanent place or they will not reduce your taxes.
Mr. Gatti asked are you certain of
this?
Mr. Mack responded I do not believe
the fire department will commit to a three-year contract.
Mr. Rodriguez stated I want to speak
for the county without getting legally involved, but I do not believe the
county will put up a temporary facility for a three-year period.
Mr. Gatti stated I want to go back
to the concept of a temporary facility.
We recognize we are going to have to build a fire station sometime in
the future. Until such time as we obtain
a parcel of land in which to build it, perhaps we can do something temporary.
Mr. Mack stated the owner we have a
commitment to does not want to lease the land, as I already approached him on
this a couple of years ago.
Mr. Gatti stated I think there is a
difference between the commitment we will be willing to make in terms of
leasing the property for 10 years as opposed to purchasing it.
Mr. Mack stated he was not
interested in leasing it. He was
interested in selling when I spoke to him.
Mr. Gatti stated I am just thinking
about the temporary aspect of this, and perhaps we can work this out.
Mr. Ziko asked are we only allowed
to borrow money for five years?
Mr. Cox responded I have been making
a lot of notes.
Mr. Ziko stated we are going to be
stuck for 25 years.
Mr. Cox stated I basically went
through all of my notes along with the different questions you had in order to
advise you in the right direction.
Mr. Ziko asked what are the chances
of the fire department paying off the lease in five years as opposed to 30
years if we have to purchase a parcel of property?
Mr. Rodriguez responded this is occurring
at a time in which the budgets are actually done for the county. Therefore, going back to the county in order
to change the budget which was already presented to the Board of Collier County
Commissioners for approval is going to be extremely difficult at this point
since our budget starts on October 1st.
Mr. Ziko stated I cannot speak for
the rest of the Board, but I believe this Fiscal Year has gone by the wayside
and we do not have an opportunity because of what you have done with your
budget. Therefore, we should start
working on next year.
Mr. Mack stated we are not certain
how much it is going to cost us. They
may have enough money in the budget to cover the cost of the land if you know
what the monthly cost is going to be.
Mr. Lambert asked can you put up a
temporary station within two months if we close on the property today?
Mr. Rodriguez responded we cannot
give you a timeframe since we will have to get three bids for a trailer.
Mr. Lambert stated the funds are
available to put up a temporary station in this fiscal year coming up.
Mr. McLaughlin stated you must
remember you are dealing with property preparation and septic sewer issues.
Mr. Rodriguez stated you have
permitting issues and we also have to go in front of the Board of Collier
County Commissioners, all of which is going to take some time.
Ms. Dillon stated it is probably
going to take one year anyway.
Mr. Rodriguez stated I am not certain
it will take one year, but everything for the Board of Collier County
Commissioners is done in a timeframe and executive summaries will have to be
presented to the Board among other things.
Therefore, it may take up to six months.
Mr. Lambert stated it will probably
take one year even if we purchase the property today.
Mr. Rodriguez stated we will try
everything within our power to walk things through knowing you have a
Commissioner in this District in agreement with this. Therefore, the political assistance can
probably move things quicker, but we are not certain how quick we can move it.
Mr. Bissell asked what is the status
of the PUD for the north property?
Mr. Rodriguez responded it did not
come in yet. There is a note at the Bar
Code Official’s office for them to contact Mr. McLaughlin as soon as it comes
in.
Ms. Dillon stated there is an area
at the property 12’ from the river which he supposedly does not own.
Mr. Mack stated I was told this was
resolved.
Ms. Dillon stated he had to purchase
it from the county.
Mr. Bissell stated the conversation
always seems to go back to purchasing his property.
Mr. Mack stated I believe this may
take two to three years.
Mr. Cox stated it depends upon whether
or not they are going to do anything with the wetlands, which is a major
issue. If they are going to alter any of
the wetlands they will have to obtain DEP and CORE permits, which is a 1½ year
process. Therefore, it will probably
take eight to 10 months, or one year if the process is straightforward. You may have to determine whether or not
there is any impact of use for the property, in which case you will have to obtain
a PUD, which opens the door for the county to obtain a set aside. With regards to putting in a temporary
trailer, we must get DEP approval for conditional use of the fire station as
well as a temporary structure conditional use.
I am concerned about any restrictive covenants from the property owners
and whether or not they will allow a temporary structure and whether or not
they are on governmental property. Much
of their capital improvement can be funded through the impact fee issue. You must determine whether or not this constitutes
a legitimate use of impact fees. I am
aware you were considering approximately $150,000 with a five-year or 30-year
amortization and note. If you go beyond
five years it can be done, but it must go through validation, in which we file
a complaint to the state saying we incurred debt for a public purpose; we are
going to fund the repayment of the debt which is legitimate because it is
presented before a judge. If no one
challenges the judge’s ruling, they can never question whether or not the debt
is legitimate for this local government and whether or not the method of repayment
is appropriate.
Mr. Ziko stated we can get something
from the fire district guaranteeing these payments. After three years we may have to look at this
again. If we obtain a 15-year loan and
after three years the fire district tells us they do not have any money in the
budget, what happens?
Mr. Rodriguez responded we will only
go into a contract with you for a long term, possibly 30 years. Has this hotel provided a room for the firefighters?
Mr. Cox stated I do not see this
happening since there are certain issues which are going through changes and
reiterations. The general purpose local
government collects their money mainly through ad valorem taxes and has a
petition under the state constitution which established a law stating the debt
to income ratio must be within certain limits.
The county will probably hesitate to loan us this small amount since
capital infrastructure needs to be elsewhere in the bonding.
Mr. Rodriguez stated since we are
not a General Fund department, we do not fall under the same county
guidelines. This District is strictly an
MSPU formed under the Board of Collier County Commissioners, and all money
which is collected from the District remains in the District.
Mr. Cox stated it is an MSPU, which
is a taxing unit carrying the same restriction of PUD. Do you have any bonded debt?
Mr. Rodriguez responded we do not.
Mr. Cox stated we can possibly look into
funding it through an interlocal agreement since other properties around here
are going to be involved. Their issue is
acquiring the property and there are some additional funding sources which can be
looked at. USDA Rule Development has
programs for funding capital infrastructure for rural communities in need of essential
services without supporting future development.
which you may qualify for. They also
have grants and loans, but the grant to loan is based on community need. Therefore, you will probably be in a loan
category, but you may be able to get a grant if we can show this station is
servicing Goodland and Ochopee, which has lower income populations and are
traditionally served from the outside. I
believe we should fund the land since this entire development was built prior
to any of these actions. The developer may
have been forced to do this if his project was being approved now. You are looking at $565,000 for the land we
discussed, which probably includes everything and your building was probably
going to be approximately $700,000 along with the manpower.
Mr. Rodriguez stated I believe you
can ask for more for the number you are looking at for a permanent facility.
Mr. Ziko asked who pays for this?
Mr. Rodriguez responded this will
come out of the Fire District.
Mr. Ziko asked will we have any ties
to this?
Mr. Rodriguez responded no.
Mr. Cox stated you have the ability
under your charters to fund construction and operation of our facility.
Ms. Dillon asked can we do this?
Mr. Cox responded it is a business
decision which has to be made. You lay
out the pros and cons and I am telling you what you can do.
Mr. Ziko asked can we absolve
ourselves from the Fire District if we are paying for this?
Mr. Cox responded you are not funding
it for taxes, but through special assessments.
It is not a double taxation issue, but you are being assessed for
something which is providing a certain benefit which does take time.
Mr. Ziko stated we are in a fire
district in which we are paying the highest rate in the county but receiving
the least service. If we can run our own
fire station can we get the tax money refunded to do this?
Mr. Cox responded your cost benefit
analysis for ad valorem taxation does not apply because this tax is a general
obligation to fund the general operations of a community, and there are no
benefits afforded to you from taxation.
Mr. Ziko asked why should we consider
running a fire station?
Mr. Cox responded this is a business
decision you are able to make. My job is
to give you your options and your job is to debate it among yourselves and
establish what should be done.
Ms. Dillon asked is the USDA part of
the federal government?
Mr. Cox responded that is correct.
Mr. Mack asked what about commercial
paper?
Mr. Cox responded although this can
be done, if it extends beyond five years I must validate it.
Mr. Mack stated we have to validate
all loans.
Mr. Cox stated a couple of issues
come into play if you go beyond three years.
First of all, we charge $25,000 to prepare a validation complaint on a
typical issue, which is expensive and time consuming. The noticed public hearing and validation
process will take as long as it takes for them to prepare their SDP for bidding. If we ran it concurrently, you are looking at
a little more than one year before all of the intricate financing is in place
to proceed. We can get the land secured
and go through the validation process with a five-year bond and fixation note
from SunTrust, or we can go through the validation for long-term financing for up
to 30 years.
Mr. Teague stated your existing debt
is at 9%, which is a high rate. However,
it does not make sense to refund it based on the interest savings since it is
only for three years, but extending the term and withdrawing cash may be more
reasonable and you will actually increase the debt.
Mr. Ziko asked do you believe
Allstate will agree to this?
Mr. Teague responded you must recall
this bond and issue a new one.
Mr. Cox asked what is your remaining
debt service?
Mr.
Teague responded there is a principal of $550,000.
Mr. Cox stated we are really cutting
it close in order to make this feasible.
By withdrawing an additional $600,000 to purchase the land along with
the $1.1 Million, you must include the cost of issuance as well as underwriter’s
fees among other things.
Mr. Teague stated you have $100,000
in interest due which you will be able to reduce in order to realize the
savings.
Mr. Ziko stated all of this is still
contingent upon a commitment from the county.
Mr. Rodriguez stated I recommend the
Board write a letter to our supervisor, Mr. Dan Summers and copy the Fire Commissioner
giving them a couple of options on the purchase of this land. The first option will be for the District to
purchase the land and secure it for five years, after which the county will
take over the note and assume or refinance it.
The second option is for the county to purchase the land altogether. Allowing them these options will give them
the opportunity to come back with something in writing which states, we currently do not have the money to
purchase the land, but if the District purchases the land for us we will make
those payments for the next five years, after which the Ochopee Fire Rescue
District will take over the remainder of the loan, refinance it or do whatever
is necessary for the county to take the loan over.
Mr. Mack stated the county made this
commitment in order to ensure we are not stuck in five years.
Mr. Rodriguez stated giving a couple
of options in writing gives them the opportunity to determine whether or not this
is feasible.
Mr. Cox stated I represent general
purpose local government as well as special purpose governments such as this. General purpose government prohibits pledging
of non ad valorem taxation without a referendum of others. Therefore, if they put themselves in an
iron-clad, no way out obligation to
purchase or expend money, they pledge non ad valorem tax revenue indirectly in
order to leave themselves a way out.
Mr. Ziko stated I want to try to
leave a way out for us.
Mr. Cox stated our commitment
expires next Friday.
Mr. Lambert stated if it is going to
cost approximately $565,000 to purchase the property, and we have 1,032 ERCs
out here, it amounts to $565 for an ERC after which we will own the property
free and clear. Do we have the ability
to assess the property owners?
Mr. Cox responded you have this
ability, and I will explain how we will have to collect the money. If you authorize this transaction, we will
have to send a written notice to everyone owning property within the boundaries
of the District explaining the project we are proposing to do, the estimated
cost as well as how we plan to collect the money. We will have to hold a series of public
hearings in which certain decisions need to be made. First of all, it must be determined whether
or not the project should be undertaken.
In order to determine whether or not it is appropriately-funded, a
validation hearing for the levy of special assessments must be held, after
which you must determine how the amount is going to be assessed against each
property fairly and reasonably to meet the benefit as well as how it is going
to be collected. You can include it on
the tax roll as is done for our assessments through an agreement with the tax
collector or you can bill the property owners directly, which may be beneficial
since you can send them a bill and they can choose whether to pay it off in
full or amortize it over a period of time.
If most people choose to pay it off in full, a large amount of your money
will come back to you up front. Those
who choose to amortize will have to pay in full by March. There may be some people who choose to not to
pay, which case we could not bring them to foreclosure until March 2009. In order to put it on the tax roll, you must
have a contract in place with the tax collector. It cannot be put on the tax roll for this
year because an agreement will already have to be in place for this special
assessment. If you need a new special
assessment, you must go through the process of obtaining a new contract with
the property appraiser and tax collector in order to utilize the alternative
method of collection. You are looking at
October 2008 in order to include it on the tax bill, and you will collect most
of your money in December, January and February, after which you will have to
wait until the tax certificate sale in May in order to collect the balance. If you choose to finance this through a
special assessment, you must come up with the funds up front during the first
year of payment on this SunTrust note through existing money.
Mr. Teague asked is it possible to
get it on the tax roll for this year if we agreed to a special assessment
today?
Mr. Cox responded in order to use the
alternative method of collection, you must have a separate agreement with the
tax collector for each special assessment which is levied. We did all of our assessments at the
beginning for maintenance operations and debt service on the same agreement
which has been in place. We will have to
amend the agreement to include the fire station special assessment, which I
believe must be done in January.
Mr. Rodriguez stated we met
yesterday with an organization which specifically deals with special assessments,
and they are currently doing a one for Marco Island Fire Rescue. This organization already has special
assessments for many fire districts throughout the state of
Mr. Cox stated this is what I do.
Mr. Rodriguez stated this company
specifically handles special assessments for fire departments and is familiar
with you are going through right now.
Ms. Dillon stated I am in favor of sending
a letter to Mr. Summers, Mr. Colletta and anyone else you believe should
receive it asking for a reasonable answer within a short timeframe because we
cannot do anything unless we get a commitment from the county. I do not want to purchase this property and I
believe the rest of the Board agrees with me until this happens.
Mr. Cox stated in order to put this
on the tax roll, you will have to adopt a resolution by
Mr. Ziko asked can we spread this
assessment out over three or four years as opposed to increasing the residents’
tax bill by an additional $500?
Mr. Cox responded you must give them
the option of spreading it out over a period of time. You can also give them the option of paying
up front in order to avoid the interest.
If it is not being amortized, it can be considered a sum savings thereby
decreasing your overall assessments.
Mr. McLaughlin stated we recommend
you write the letter which was discussed and allow the county to purchase the
property which will take you out of the loop in order to resolve this. Once this is resolved and the county
purchases it, we will deal with the further issues involved especially since the
property is available for purchase.
Mr. Bissell asked will the 4%
actually decrease?
Mr. McLaughlin asked are you
referring to the millage rate?
Mr. Bissell responded that is
correct.
Mr. McLaughlin stated the millage
rate decreased 3% with this tax reform.
Mr. Gatti asked did it decrease to
3% or by 3%?
Mr. Rodriguez responded we had to
roll back the taxes to 2006 and 2007 plus 3% on top of that. Your millage rate starting on October 1st
will no longer be at 4 mills, and we took such a big hit because it was
mandated.
Mr. Gatti asked will we be at one
mill?
Mr. Rodriguez responded you will be
close to 3.89%.
Mr. Lambert stated I read in the
newspaper today one of the fire districts in
Mr. Rodriguez stated a special
district can do a special assessment in order to retain their millage rate. The obvious difference is you are a rural
community and they are rural community in the
Mr. Lambert stated it appeared they
were not going to have to reduce their budget.
Mr. Rodriguez stated they must
presume they have to reduce the budget.
In order to offset this, they can provide an assessment back to them in
order to get the money back since they are considered a special district. I believe almost every municipality is going
to do this in order to stay afloat.
Mr. Cox stated there is legislation stating
if you do not have a majority of Board support, you do not have to do the
rollback. You are going to see more
general purpose governments using special assessments because you can analyze
whether or not the benefit is worth the cost by holding public hearings for
each service you are going to provide in order for the people to make a
decision.
Mr. McLaughlin stated when the head
of
Mr. Rodriguez stated the Collier
County Board of Commissioners voted to reduce the millage and cut back to 3% as
authorized by the Governor.
Mr. Ziko asked will this new
provision on I-75 in which you can assess the insurance company if you make a
call from a vehicle reduce the millage rate?
Mr. McLaughlin responded this is not
going to affect the millage rate.
Mr. Ziko stated I thought our
millage rate was high because we were servicing I-75.
Mr. McLaughlin stated the millage
rate is high because of the necessary level of service due to the small
population and highly-assessed property.
Mr. Bissell asked where do the funds
from the government impact fees go?
Mr. McLaughlin responded it goes
towards capital improvements.
Mr. Bissell asked is this for the
CID?
Mr. McLaughlin responded it is for
the millage for the Ochopee District.
Mr. Cox stated they will fund the
building outright.
Mr. McLaughlin stated we had a
developer come in to build three 21-story high-rises at a cost of $150,000 in
impact fees for each building. A
developer usually has an impact fee schedule, which is beneficial. If they decide to put up more buildings, more
money is going to be added to the impact for the land which allows for a
permanent facility.
Mr. Rodriguez stated impact fees cannot
be used for manpower or replacement of existing vehicles. They can only be used for capital
improvement.
THIRD ORDER OF BUSINESS Manager’s
Report
C. Discussion of Entry Signs
Mr. Bissell stated Lykins-Signtek
will make a presentation.
Mr. Cox stated we need to discuss
the land acquisition for the fire station since it is going to change the scope
of the sign company’s work. If we decide
not to go through with the land transaction, the placement of the easements may
change.
Mr. Lambert asked is one wall or two
walls out of the easement on
Mr. Cox responded one easement is
partially out and other one is totally out.
Ms. Dillon stated we are just going
to put a sign in the median as opposed to the side walls, regardless of what
happens on
Mr. Ortiz stated I represent Lykins-Signtek
and will distribute mock-ups of the signs as discussed.
Ms. Dillon stated these are internal
which we agreed should be the old style.
Mr. Bissell asked were we willing to
go with the same size as the others?
Mr. Teague responded I thought we were
having the same design for all new signs going forward.
Mr. Ziko stated I agree.
Ms. Dillon stated we agreed these
were going to be internal signs in the old style.
Mr. Teague this is one of the
reasons Mr. Ortiz is here. We must
discuss this as a group because I cannot be sent in two different directions.
Mr. Ortiz stated I realize there
have been many permitting issues and you probably narrowed it down to this in
order for me to have something to work from.
Mr. Teague stated we are currently looking
at the new design which was developed two years ago in which the signs for
Union Road and Cays Drive will be 2’ x 5’ in width. The same will hold true for the hotel and
marina entrance, and the one on the arch will cover exactly what is currently there.
Mr. Ortiz stated we are trying to
keep everything uniform.
Mr. Teague stated perhaps we should
get a consensus as to what design you want to use first.
Mr. Lambert asked was the original
design which you set up for us to be located in the median area of
Mr. Bissell responded the original
size was 4’ x 6’.
Mr. Ortiz stated there was a sign in
the median which measured 4’ x 6’.
Mr. Lambert stated those two signs
should be slightly larger than 2’ x 5’.
Mr. Ortiz stated this is not a
problem. Is this for the Cays and
Mr. Lambert responded I perceive it
to be these two signs.
Mr. Teague asked do you perceive a
problem permitting those size signs?
Mr. Ortiz responded since the
internal signs are meant to be directional there may be NSU for permitting involved.
Mr. Cox stated I agree with you and
if they are going to have to be permitted, we may have some issues.
Mr. Ziko asked are you referring to
the internal signs?
Mr. Teague responded we are
referring to the signs on the median.
Mr. Cox stated we are referring to the
internal directional signs.
Mr. Ziko stated we are referring to
the sign which is going to be in the middle of the median at the entrance to
Mr. Ortiz stated the size of the
sign will have to be permitted. However,
I will check with the county.
Mr. Ziko stated this one is a 4’ x
6’ sign.
Mr. Cox stated I believe there is an
exception if it is a common theme for a subdivision.
Mr. Teague stated the preference is
4’ x 6’ if permissible.
Mr. Lambert stated we want it to be
as large as permissible, but we are willing to come down to 4’ x 6’.
Mr. Teague stated in other words,
the sign should be 4’ x 6’ or as large as permissible, the two signs
there. I believe someone mentioned to me
that on the hotel entrance, we should have Hotel
Entrance with one arrow and Marina
Entrance on the same sign pointing towards it.
Mr. Ziko stated people entering on
Mr. Cox stated I believe these
internal signs will have to be permitted.
Ms. Dillon asked did you confirm
this?
Mr. Cox responded yes.
Ms. Dillon asked what about Sanctuary
Point and Eveningstar Cay?
Mr. Ortiz responded those were
non-conforming signs. In other words,
they can where they are, but you cannot modify them.
Mr. Cox stated another reason the
county has not forced you to do anything up here is because they believe those
signs are on private roads. You can
technically put them up, but if you were going through a regular submission
review process, they would review the location and size configuration of those
signs.
Mr. Ziko stated the signs we are
putting up are on CID property.
Mr. Cox stated I realize this. Everyone who is putting up signs is
supposedly on their own property.
Ms. Dillon asked can we do anything
with our old signs?
Mr. Ortiz responded anything which
has been there and is non-conforming can remain as it is, as long as you do not
do anything new to it.
Ms. Dillon asked does this apply to
painting the sign?
Mr. Cox responded you have the
design which conforms to regulations, and we can check on this in order to
ensure it is in conformance. Since you
are going through the permitting process for the other signs, perhaps you
should get them permitted.
Mr. Ortiz stated if it is not
permissible, they will not permit it, but they will not tell you to remove
it. If it was put there at one time, you
can keep it, as long as you do not try to increase the size or do anything else
to it. This is the definition of a
non-conforming sign.
Ms. Dillon stated we must change the
hotel sign in order to give direction to both the marina and the hotel, and
they must be permitted. Is that correct?
Mr. Ortiz responded yes.
Mr. Bissell asked do we want them to
be 2’ x 5’, which is rather large?
Mr. Ortiz responded they cannot
exceed 12 square feet.
Ms. Dillon stated it is really not
so big.
Mr. Ortiz stated I measured it and
this is what you currently have, after which I matched them.
Mr. Ziko asked will you be able to
reduce the lettering on the hotel entrance sing in order to indicate Hotel Entrance with a directional arrow
as well as
Mr. Ortiz responded it is not a
problem to change the art.
Ms. Dillon stated the main idea was for
the hotel entrance sign to direct you in the appropriate direction, as well as
Mr. Ortiz stated it will have to be
specifically configured. If the
dimensions are 2’ x 5’, it will probably have to stand differently in order to
get all of this information.
Mr. Lambert asked are these signs
going to be mounted with white posts?
Mr. Ortiz responded they are
currently proposed to be sandblasted cedar with white 4’ x 4’ posts.
Ms. Dillon asked will the prices
increase if
Mr. Ortiz responded there will be a small
increase since I am probably going to increase the size of the sign slightly.
Mr. Bissell stated I have an issue with the arch sign. The Port of the Islands will go up around the arch in large letters and the logo will go below The Port of the Islands.
Mr. Teague stated I am confused.
Mr. Bissell stated The Port of the Islands will be in large
letters with the logo below it. The
marina and the hotel signs will be much smaller.
Mr. Cox stated I am not certain you
can do this without a permit, unless you somehow tie it in as a theme.
Mr. Ortiz stated we were initially
working on this for approximately three years, and this was not presented at the
time. This did not go through the
meetings I had with them, and this sign does not have a permit right now. Since this is another non-conforming sign,
they are going to have to work with us in order to determine whether or not it
can be done.
Mr. Cox stated in order to have the
signs this close with the same theme, it must be a unified subdivision and it
cannot really have a commercial context to it.
Mr. Ziko asked is Hotel and
Mr. Cox responded I am just giving
you a yellow flag as opposed to a red flag in the event you may want to think
of some alternative language.
Mr. Bissell asked do we need to put
in
Mr. Lambert responded I do not
believe we should put
Mr. Cox stated Waterfront Community catches the tradition when this was
started. It was going to be a community
for people to have fun.
Mr. Teague stated this does not
support anything since resort and waterfront community are considered
descriptions.
Mr. Bissell stated this is a living
community.
Ms. Dillon stated I have no problem
with Port of the Islands Waterfront
Community and removing
Mr. Bissell asked is it the Board’s
consensus to have Waterfront Community
indicated there?
Mr. Ziko responded I like Mr. Cox’ idea.
Mr. Cox stated I said Resort and Waterfront Community.
Mr. Ziko stated this is acceptable
to me.
Mr. Bissell stated this is a
community as opposed to a resort.
Mr. Ziko stated the address number can
be indicated below the sign.
Ms. Dillon stated you can remove Hotel and
Mr. Bissell asked what is going to
be placed there?
Mr. Lambert responded it will say, Resort and Waterfront Community.
Mr. Bissell asked is this going to
be in small letters?
Mr. Ortiz responded that is
correct. Port of the Islands will be larger.
Mr. Bissell asked can you work that
up and e-mail that to Mr. Teague who can send it to the Board?
Mr. Ortiz responded absolutely.
Ms. Dillon stated I believe Port of the Islands should also be more
prominent on the
Mr. Ortiz stated those designs
should work.
Ms. Dillon stated I believe Port of the Islands on the
Mr. Lambert stated
Mr. Teague stated the other one is a
wall sign.
Ms. Dillon stated there will not be
a wall sign. Marina Entrance is acceptable, but under Hotel Entrance, we must have the arrow pointing towards the hotel,
and
Mr. Ortiz stated in other words,
this is going to be one sign.
Ms. Dillon stated there are going to
be two signs.
Mr. Teague stated Marina Entrance is acceptable.
Ms. Dillon stated Hotel Entrance will have an arrow going
left as you are coming down, but below it, there should be a sign which says
Mr. Ziko stated we just need to have
a line underneath this going up one side of the sign pointing in the direction
of the marina.
Mr. Teague stated you will have double–sided
signs for
Mr. Ziko stated I believe the Hotel/Marina sign will be in the center
island and the
Mr. Bissell stated all signs will be
on the right-hand side.
Mr. Teague stated you also included
some restoration work on the arch prior to installation.
Mr. Ortiz stated the marina and
hotel has a large pylon sign which we are going to work with.
Mr. Lambert stated I want to finish
discussing these five signs before we talk about restoration. I want to know whether we are going to repair
or knock down the walls and monuments.
Mr. Teague asked do you have a crew
who can repair those monuments?
Mr. Ortiz responded the mock-up represent
the way we project they will look like after the work is done.
Mr. Lambert stated we have wall
monuments in two locations, one at
Mr. Cox responded they never said
they will give you an easement, but they are willing to negotiate the easement
if you put a sign up for their process.
Mr. Lambert stated they should put
up a sign on their own property.
Ms. Dillon stated we never heard
back from them one way or the other and they never answered the letter Mr.
Teague sent to them with regards to their sign.
Mr. Lambert stated we cannot repair
this monument.
Ms. Dillon asked can we remove it?
Mr. Bissell responded perhaps we can
remove the west monument if we are not putting anything there.
Mr. Lambert stated I personally like
the wall monuments, which is why I want to repair them.
Mr. Cox stated you can paint them in
order to make them look nice, but you cannot do anything with the signage since
they are not on our property and we do not have an easement there. If you remove the signage, they may choose to
knock the wall down and rebuild it themselves, but I do not believe they will.
Mr. Lambert stated perhaps we can
talk to them since it does not make sense for them to accept the shoddy appearance
of the monument when they are trying to market the property. Repair fits in with the whole scheme of this
and if we can do it without an easement, we should do so.
Ms. Dillon stated when the new sign
is ready to be installed, we should remove theirs.
Mr. Ziko asked are you going to
paint over the sign in the arch?
Mr. Ortiz responded we are going to
paint over it. I am going to post Resort and Waterfront Community. We are going to make the signs for
Mr. Bissell stated you will get this
to Mr. Teague with signs.
Mr. Lambert asked can you do the
maintenance work on the walls if we decide to pursue it?
Mr. Ortiz responded the initial
proposal was to paint the walls and add the copy.
Mr. Ziko asked what about the tiles
on top?
Mr. Ortiz responded we tried to get
tiles a few years ago since the wood was rotted and the owner did not want to
get involved with this small section.
Unfortunately, we were unable to find matching tiles.
Mr. Cox asked is it possible for you
to arrange for a subcontractor to take care of the tile work?
Mr. Ortiz responded he recommended
removing this section and painting it, after which I can put it into the sign
and see how it looks like without the tiles.
I believe it will look good. It
is just a matter of finding the appropriate design and trying to find a
contractor to do this work.
Mr. Ziko stated many of these tiles are
broken. I do not believe you can just
paint them.
Mr. Ortiz stated I agree with you. The wood held this tile and part of my
proposal was to remove the tile and paint the section along with some trim.
Mr. Lambert stated Mr. Cox should
speak with hotel staff and let Mr. Ortiz know whether or not he can do the
maintenance work.
SECOND ORDER OF BUSINESS Approval of the
Minutes of the
June 8, 2007 Meeting
Mr. Bissell stated each Board member
received a copy of the Minutes of the
Mr. Bissell stated on Page 1 under
the first order of business, I called the meeting to order as opposed to Mr.
Goscicki.
Ms. Dillon stated on Page 31 under
the fifth order of business, the Engineer’s Report was not continued. On Page 34 in the second paragraph from the
bottom in the first sentence, company
should replace cracking.
On MOTION by Mr. Lambert
seconded by Mr. Ziko with all in favor the minutes of the
THIRD ORDER OF BUSINESS Manager’s
Report (Continued)
A.
Questions
and Comments on the Revised Budget
Mr.
Teague stated I am not certain whether or not all of the requested changes were
included since I did not attend the last meeting. There was a discussion in which the Capital Outlay may be too low. There was also a question with regards to the
Depreciation Expense as to the
definition and reason it is included in the budget. The auditors like to see this budgeted. It is cash which does not go anywhere.
Mr. Lambert asked does this mean we
are budgeting for replacement of major items?
Mr. Teague responded that is correct.
Ms. Dillon stated since it is
considered an expense, we are theoretically spending it in the budget.
Mr. Teague stated it is not a cash
expenditure until you actually replace something.
Mr. Ziko stated we will not have any
of this money when we replace something.
Mr. Teague stated it is there. It just goes into your Reserves.
Mr. Ziko asked are you moving it
into Reserves?
Mr. Teague responded we are showing
it as an expenditure, but you are not withdrawing it out of your revenue as you
collect your money.
Mr. Lambert asked do you have to
identify the individual pieces for which you are collecting Reserves?
Mr. Teague responded depreciation
expenses on all of your assets are identified in the audit.
Mr. Bissell asked are they
cumulative?
Mr. Teague responded it is there
every year.
Mr. Bissell asked is it adding up?
Mr. Teague responded that is
correct.
Mr. Ziko asked is this for the
useful life of the property depreciating?
Mr. Teague responded that is
correct. It goes away at 10 or 20 years.
Mr. Cox stated much of it has been
depreciating.
Mr. Ziko stated there is no
recapture since this is a governmental entity.
Mr. Cox stated one of the most
bizarre things which occurred in the history of governmental accounting is when
they started forcing governments to depreciate assets. Essentially, you are keeping track of what
needs to be reserved to replace the capital asset.
Mr. Teague stated the other issue
was to ensure the assessment level is the same.
Actually, the assessments reduce slightly because of a reduction in debt
service. On Page 11 under the summary of
the assessments, the General Fund
Assessments are staying the same as last year at $363 per unit; Debt Service is decreasing to 43%; Water & Sewer is remaining the same
at $1,020. Total Assessments Per Unit is decreasing from zero to 18.8% depending
on the type of unit.
Mr. Cox stated since we have a
settlement agreement with Parcel XI,
they do not have any debt.
Mr. Bissell asked how much money did
we collect from the people for the 2007 budget?
Mr. Teague responded each of the
funds show a 2007 and 2008 comparison.
You can see those numbers are exactly the same, but the Debt Service shows a reduction.
Mr. Bissell stated if we collected $1.8
million last year and Debt Service
decreased, we still need the money for these projects.
Mr. Teague stated you have $409,163
on roll in the General Fund, as you
had last year as shown on Page 2. If you
look at Adopted Budget 2007 and Proposed Budget 2008, we are at $409,163 after which the debt will
decrease. The amount of $1,053,115 is
the same from both years on the Enterprise
Fund as shown on Page 12.
Mr. Bissell stated our tax bill will
be the same amount.
Mr. Teague stated it will actually
be slightly less because the Debt Service
decreased.
Mr. Lambert asked can you explain
further?
Mr. Teague responded Page 11 breaks
down your assessments. I believe your
tax bill says Special Assessments CID,
which is a lump sum in the amount of $1,790 in this particular unit for Motwani, and last year it was $2,101.
Mr. Ziko stated this was the South
Hotel.
Mr. Teague stated Sunrise Cay showed $2,127, and this year
it will be $1,805, which is due to a reduction in the Debt Service. The special
assessments are on one bill consisting of three categories. Since the debt is getting old and the
interest is lower than it has been in the past, your principal is lower.
Mr. Ziko stated I thought these were
based on ERCs.
Mr. Teague stated items for Operation & Maintenance as well as
the Enterprise Fund are based on
ERCs, but Debt Service is based on
various different factors when they do the methodology analysis.
Mr. Bissell stated we discussed the
possibility of having a contingency fund where the Debt Service decreased at the last meeting. Therefore, we are going to collect the same
amount next year.
Mr. Teague stated this includes Debt Service, which will increase the General Fund and Water & Sewer.
Mr. Lambert stated we need to do
this because we many tasks which must be paid for.
Mr. Bissell stated we have things
coming up all of the time which is costing us money.
Mr. Teague stated it was not presented
this way. However, we will make the
correction by increasing either the Water
& Sewer levy or the General Fund
levy. I believe it makes sense to increase
the Water & Sewer Fund in order
to absorb the savings in the Debt Service.
Mr. Bissell stated our tax bill will
be identical.
Mr. Lambert stated all you will have
to do is install the numbers.
Mr. Teague stated it is going to be
difficult because your debt is based on property type. Therefore, you are not going to see it
exactly, but we will get it.
Mr. Cox stated since you have
different property types, you have some residents who already paid their debt
off; and if you keep the dollar collection the same, those who have not paid it
off are going to have an increase.
Ms. Dillon stated the only people
who will be affected by this are those who are still paying on their bond.
Mr. Cox stated this is a like a
windfall for those from the settlements that we got out of the other thing, the
interest and deeds that we collected from the Marchand and Motwani
properties. There is interest on
penalties which we collected from those properties as well. It is kind of a bonus for those people still
paying their debt, but if you try to keep everyone’s assessments the same as
they were for last year, you are taking the money from those who already paid
off their debt.
Mr. Teague stated their Enterprise Fund assessment is going to
increase, but they are not going to get a reduction because they have no debt
service to be removed.
Mr. Ziko stated basically those Debt Service numbers do not mean
anything if you already paid your bond off.
Mr. Cox stated you are keeping your Enterprise Fund and your General Fund the same, which is fair to
the people who already paid their bonds off.
Perhaps you can charge everyone an additional $25 for an ERC in order to
raise another $25,000.
Mr. Ziko stated we have the special
assessment which does not show up on this page in the amount of $700.
Mr. Cox stated it was budgeted in
last year’s General Fund as an actual
collected in the amount of $409,163 as shown on Page 2. The Consumer Price Index was at 3%, which is
$12,000 or $12 per ERC to keep your assessments the same as last year. You can increase your Enterprise Fund by another $30,000, in order to increase your
revenue by $45,000. However, I believe
it is fairer to charge everyone across the board instead of penalizing the
people who paid their special assessment.
Mr. Ziko asked are we doing this?
Mr. Cox responded you are assessing
the same amount as last year. However, you
may want to spend 3% more this year and capture the extra $45,000.
Mr. Teague stated if you paid your
debt assessment off, and we reduced the debt and put it on someone else, yours
will increase above this amount since you have no debt.
Mr. Cox stated if we kept it the
same for the people who got the debt reduction, you are going to have an
incremental increase on yours.
Mr. Teague stated I was going to
increase the Enterprise Fund and
decrease the debt.
Ms. Dillon stated this no longer
seems equitable.
Mr. Lambert stated I believe we need
to increase the increment to others for something. However, it does not make sense to reduce the
taxes when we have all of this work to do.
Mr. Teague asked do you want to look
at 5% or 3%?
Mr. Cox responded perhaps we can give
you $50,000 at 3% and decrease it to $45,000.
Mr. Teague stated we can put it on
either of the two funds and into the Reserves.
Ms. Dillon stated the Water & Sewer Fund makes the most
sense since this is where we are spending the money.
Mr. Lambert stated we should put it
on both of them. It does not make sense
not to receive the money.
Mr. Teague stated the Board needs to
relate a number.
Mr. Lambert stated I believe it
should be 5%.
Mr. Teague asked do you want it to
be 5% on each fund or 2½% on each fund?
Mr. Bissell responded it should be
5% on each fund.
Ms. Dillon stated there will be a
10% increase.
Mr. Bissell asked does this have
anything to do with our tax bill?
Ms. Dillon responded the tax bill
will be increased.
Mr. Cox stated if you increased by
5% on this, last year it was $363 per ERC, which amounted to $16.50 in general
funds as well as a $57 increase in everyone’s taxes this year.
Mr. Ziko asked how does this work?
Mr. Cox responded you must recognize
them because their debt service was actually more, but they received the
benefits of other people being late.
Mr. Bissell