MINUTES
OF MEETING
PINE
TREE WATER CONTROL DISTRICT
The
regular meeting of the Board of Supervisors of the Pine Tree Water Control District
was held on
Present and constituting a quorum were:
David Rosenof President
Margaret Bertolami Vice
President
Paul Brewer Secretary
Mark Weissman Supervisor
Also
present were:
Ed Goscicki Interim Manager,
Julie Klahr Attorney
Warren Craven Engineer
Randy Frederick Field Superintendent
Neil Thomas Resident
Robert Volpe Resident
FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS Roll Call
Mr. Rosenof called the meeting to order and Mr. Goscicki
called the roll.
SECOND ORDER OF BUSINESS Audience Comments
There
not being any, the next item followed.
THIRD
ORDER OF BUSINESS Approval
of the Minutes of the July 5, 2007 Meeting
Mr.
Rosenof stated each Board member received a copy of the minutes of the
Ms.
Bertolami stated on page 22, two-thirds of the way down, “Ms. Bertolami stated
yes”. I do not recall saying this. The minutes should be amended to state this
statement was questionable.
There
being no further corrections, additions or deletions,
On MOTION by Mr. Weissman seconded by Mr. Brewer with all in
favor the minutes of the
FOURTH ORDER OF
BUSINESS Consideration
of Permit Requests from Harris Engineering
A.
B.
Coral Creek Outparcel
Mr. Craven stated Harris Engineering provided two permit
applications for two outparcels;
Mr.
Rosenof asked is this where the Walgreens is?
Mr.
Craven responded yes, right next to the Walgreens. One is facing SR 7, which is next to the Walgreens
and the other faces
Mr.
Rosenof stated in the past we have asked for Planning and Zoning to approve plans
before we approve them.
Mr.
Craven stated we have never done this before.
Mr.
Weissman stated I think this is more for plats.
Mr.
Rosenof stated the only reason we have done this before was because we had
several cases where Mr. Craven reviewed and approved plans only to have
Planning and Zoning change a number of things.
I would not worry too much about this as this is more of a procedural
issue. We should probably be asking for the
City of
Mr.
Craven responded I understand your reasoning.
We have done this in the past for parking but we never applied it to
this type of project.
Mr.
Rosenof stated this is the first commercial property in
Mr.
Craven stated true.
Mr.
Rosenof stated I am not opposed to you recommending we approve this. I just want to re-state the procedure and
perhaps somehow memorialize it.
Mr.
Goscicki stated CSID had the opposite problem where the City of
Mr.
Rosenof asked does this mean the City Engineer of Coral Springs will approve a
site water drainage plan without our approval?
Mr.
Goscicki responded it has happened.
Mr.
Rosenof stated this would be bad.
Mr.
Craven stated but they will and they do so on a daily basis.
Mr.
Rosenof asked could we send them a letter telling them to stop?
Mr.
Craven responded it would be a waste of time.
Mr.
Goscicki stated we have this kind of communication regularly through the CSID
Boards and we make it a point that we are in the drainage business and need to
be involved in the review and permit phase of new development. It is a continuing education effort.
Mr.
Weissman stated I suggest forwarding a copy of the application to the City of
Coral Springs with a letter from our attorney advising them we approved this request
and if there are any changes we request they advise us of those changes and in
the future we appreciate it if all applications within the district be
submitted here. How does this sound?
Mr.
Rosenof stated well stated. These
permits requests are straight forward.
Mr.
Neil Thomas stated I live on NW 80th Terrace, which is south of the Sawgrass
Expressway. How is this going to affect
our drainage because we had a severe problem last time the drainage was not
sufficient? If you are going to develop
something over here it is going to flood.
Mr.
Rosenof responded it is a separate pipe system.
Mr.
Craven stated it is approximately a mile away from you so it should not affect
you. It is a totally different system.
Mr.
Thomas stated it does not matter. We had
Keith & Schnars survey our area and they said we are on hard rock. They know what we are stuck with. If you are going to present a bigger problem
with more drainage up in this end, how are we going to get rid of ours?
Mr.
Goscicki responded I will be addressing your issue further under the manager’s
report.
Ms.
Bertolami asked in regards to the permit requests, was this an existing
drainage system or is it modifying what is currently there?
Mr.
Craven responded the backbone system serving the entire community has been
there for 10 years.
Mr.
Rosenof asked is the drainage going to stay on-site?
Mr.
Craven responded there were a number of parcels and it will provide the on-site
retention.
Mr.
Rosenof asked how much is being retained on-site.
Ms.
Bertolami stated what I am trying to get some clarification on is whether this
will change what has been going on for the last 10 years or modifying the way
it has to be built because now they are adding a parking lot.
Mr.
Craven stated correct.
Mr.
Rosenof stated to put it in layman’s term, the impervious part of the lot is
being taken up by the infrastructure. Since
there is asphalt, the actual drainage will be below it so the two of them
should theoretically balance out so that you have no run-off. Is this a correct statement?
Mr.
Craven stated yes.
Mr.
Weissman stated it is a good idea.
However, what happens during torrential rains?
Mr.
Rosenof responded the same thing that happened before.
Mr.
Rosenof stated my point is if you have five inches of rain, it is going to
flood like it does now. All we are
permitting is the exfiltration trench.
On
MOTION by Mr. Weissman seconded by Mr. Brewer with all in favor the permit
application from Harris Engineering for
On
MOTION by Mr. Weissman seconded by Mr. Brewer with all in favor the permit
application from Harris Engineering for the Coral Creek Outparcel was approved.
FIFTH
ORDER OF BUSINESS Manager’s
Report
Mr.
Goscicki stated at this time, I wish to discuss the drainage issues brought up
at the public hearing on
Mr.
Craven stated the valve is on the other side of the Sawgrass Expressway. This connection was made a couple of years
ago with funding supplied by the SFWMD in anticipation of moving recharge water
through our system. However, it never
came to fruition.
Mr.
Rosenof stated we do not have a problem with the flow going back the other way.
Mr.
Goscicki stated correct. The normal flow
of the water goes underneath the Sawgrass Expressway by way of a canal going to
the east. When we went out there and
looked at the area, there was clearly water standing on some of the properties,
particularly as you went further south.
The property on NW 80th Terrace had significant standing water;
however the culverts on
Mr.
Craven stated we ran some levels down there about four to five years ago.
Mr.
Rosenof asked are there any improvements within this ditch?
Mr.
Goscicki responded the ditch is on an NSID canal.
Mr.
Rosenof asked is there anything in the ditch to stop the water flow?
Mr.
Goscicki responded yes, in some areas.
Mr.
Rosenof stated we obviously have a problem.
Mr.
Goscicki stated I do not think the District has the problem. I think the residents have a problem, which is
more between the residents and the City of
Mr.
Rosenof asked who gave them the permit to allow the water to flow the wrong way
or was it not built per permit?
Mr.
Craven responded it was probably not built per permit. This property was developed as part of Pine
Tree years ago.
Ms.
Bertolami stated many years ago. Prior
to construction on the Sawgrass Expressway they had problems. Since then, there has been considerably more
construction and every time you build a new house, you compound the problem.
Mr.
Rosenof asked were these streets connected at one time?
Ms.
Bertolami responded yes.
Mr.
Rosenof asked are you saying even when these streets went through, the drainage
was like this?
Mr.
Craven responded yes, portions of the area were lower. I cannot change the topography.
Ms.
Bertolami stated I think the canal was continuous and there is a drainage
ditch.
Mr.
Craven stated probably at the time the first house was built and each house
thereafter, there was an east/west ditch at the south end, which went to some farmer’s
drainage system.
Mr.
Rosenof stated I understand and fully agree. I think all of your supervisors agree this is
not our problem. However, if we can do
something to fix it, I would be more than happy to try to help fix it. The only thing I can see is doing a
cross-agency agreement to dump the water back into the NSID canal?
Mr.
Goscicki stated I assume we have to put in some type of a lift station/pumping
station to get the water through the NSID canal because you have a berm there,
which you have to go over or possibly under. I do not know if NSID will permit this or you would
want to permit something, which will gradually flow in because then it could
gradually flow out as their water levels come back up.
Mr.
Rosenof stated I think you have a structural problem due to the fact you do not
have an invert from one side to the other.
Therefore, no matter what we do, we cannot go on private property and
fix this problem.
Mr.
Brewer stated you could have a house, which is 15, 20 or 25 years old where the
homeowner blocked the drainage by building a swale by his house per the city
requirements.
Mr.
Rosenof asked are there any circumstances where code enforcement can come in
and fix the problem?
Mr.
Craven responded I do not know if you re-worked the entire swale whether you
could ever get rid of the water from the furthest house south.
Mr.
Rosenof stated you can if you draw the water over the berm to the NSID canal.
Mr.
Goscicki stated apparently NSID found illegal connections in the past.
Mr.
Rosenof asked from an engineering standpoint, what is the best way to fix it?
Mr.
Craven responded collect the water and then find a place to dispose of it.
Mr.
Craven stated the logical disposal place is the NSID canal but then you are
getting into a pump facility situation.
Mr.
Rosenof stated even if we do this the residents or the city or someone else is
going to have to figure out how to get the water down there.
Mr.
Goscicki stated correct. I suggest as
the first course of action for the residents to get together to create a system,
which will collect the water and bring it to a point where they could then get
it pumped into NSID and then I think we can go to NSID and say we need to work
out an inter-local agreement.
Mr.
Rosenof stated I request you do this at the same time if the residents want to
do this.
Mr.
Goscicki stated we have an NSID Board meeting next week and I will bring it up
then.
Mr.
Thomas stated we live south of the Sawgrass Expressway. Keith & Schnars says you are trying to
flow water uphill, which in their opinion does not work. From the Sawgrass Expressway to the end of NW
80th Terrace there is a one foot drop going south. According to Keith & Schnars, at the very
end of NW 80th Terrace and NW 79th Way there is an
easement, which you can cut through and drop into the canal. Can you do this? I am being taxed by SFWMD, Okeechobee Basin,
South Florida Inland Navigation, NSID, Pine Tree WCD and Everglades Capital
Improvement. Everyone is collecting our
tax money and no one is doing anything.
You may as well write it down on a piece of toilet paper because this is
as far as it is getting. We were in the
newspaper from day one and have not done anything since then. What are you going to do?
Mr.
Weissman asked did you say NSID is listed on your tax bill?
Mr.
Thomas responded yes.
Mr.
Weissman stated if they are getting billed by NSID, we do not need an Interlocal
Agreement.
Mr.
Thomas stated in back of my property there used to be a 40’ easement.
Mr.
Rosenof stated in my opinion, the whole swale has to be repaired, which is
between your houses.
Mr.
Thomas stated it is not between the houses; it is at the very far end of the
streets.
Mr.
Rosenof stated the problem is this does not help the people closer to NW 57th
Street because the grade is lower and you still have to re-grade the entire
swale on private property.
Mr.
Thomas stated if NW 57th Street is higher it is because it is at the
end of the street.
Mr.
Rosenof stated what I am hearing is there is not a constant grade from NW 57th
Street south. Therefore, no matter what
we do, if your water does not get to us there is not much we can do. We can make all sorts of recommendations but
at the end of the day, we cannot go on your property. We do not have the jurisdiction. We can offer solutions and work with other
agencies to make things happen, but at the end of the day it does not sound
like this system was ever designed to bring the water anywhere. Am I correct or am I oversimplifying it?
Mr.
Brewer responded when the first houses were built, no one controlled the
swales. Five years ago we built a house
three houses south of the Sawgrass Expressway per the City of Parkland
requirements and built a swale back there.
This swale could be blocking the entire system.
Mr.
Rosenof stated I am not saying this cannot be fixed but it is going to require the
private property owners, the city and the water districts to all figure out a
plan together. The problem is getting the
water to us. We do not have jurisdiction
to tell you or your neighbor who may have put a high piece of dirt in the middle
of his ditch, to get rid of it.
Mr.
Thomas stated the water from aquifer comes out of Okeechobee and flows south. How can you run it underneath NW 57th
Street when there is a giant 60’ culvert running down the NSID canal? We should just cut a small swale and let the
water run out of there. There use to be
a 40’ easement at the end of NW 80th Terrace & NW 79th Way.
Mr.
Craven asked what happened to it?
Mr.
Thomas stated I do not know.
Ms.
Bertolami asked could we explore whether there is an easement there?
Mr.
Craven responded it would be nice to know.
Mr.
Thomas stated Whispering Woods built against the back end of those two streets
and left us hanging. The Water
Management District leaves us hanging.
Everyone leaves us hanging.
Mr.
Rosenof asked is this a City Engineer issue?
Mr.
Weissman responded I think you have a private property issue. The city is not going to re-grade the back of
everyone’s home to make the water flow properly.
Mr.
Rosenof stated but they may be able to help facilitate it.
Mr.
Weissman stated the only thing the city could possibly do is to get the engineer
out to tell them what you need to do, but you cannot force people to go out and
do the work.
Mr.
Rosenof stated maybe the city could establish Special Assessment District to
help with this.
Mr.
Weissman stated they have to deal with their neighbors who caused the problems.
If the problem was caused by the city;
then the question becomes where you want the water to flow. From what we are hearing tonight, it should
go to NSID. It sounds like NSID is
already charging for it so this is really where the problem probably belongs.
Mr.
Rosenof asked could you talk to Ms. Caryn Gardner-Young, the Parkland City
Manager, about this issue?
Mr.
Thomas responded yes. I spoke to Mr. DeBrusco
who used to be on the Board and he said we had to put a two inch drainage pipe at
the end of our street. For two inches,
you will need a 24” culvert, nothing less.
I almost bought the lot at the end of NW 79th Way but there was
a 40’ easement there at the time. I do
not know what is at the end of NW 80th Terrace.
Mr.
Rosenof stated there are two sides to this issue we need to get addressed. The first is Mr. Goscicki will work with NSID
and our District to figure out how and if we can bring water to them. Second of all, we are concerned about your
tax bill showing NSID on it. Mr. Goscicki
is going to see how this affects us and you legally and what the possibilities
are for an Interlocal Agreement to bring the water back to them. At the same time, I suggest you call Ms. Gardner-Young
and ask her how the city can help. We
can only go so far. We cannot go into
your yard or do anything behind your house so if someone built a high spot in
the middle of the ditch, there is nothing we can do. I will call Ms. Gardner-Young tomorrow and
tell her what the issue is but I want you to call her and set up a meeting to
see if she can figure out a way to get your issue resolved. At the same time, I want to look at this from
a District angle.
Mr.
Weissman stated Mr. Goscicki should also look at those properties to see why
the residents are being billed by NSID.
Mr.
Thomas stated there is a conflict of interest because Mr. Goscicki manages both
districts. What are you doing here?
Mr.
Goscicki responded I would say the opposite is true. Before you were complaining about lack of
cooperation between Districts and now you are complaining about the same manager
for both districts. I can tell you there
is no conflict of interest so I can represent these districts and make sure the
cooperation is there.
Ms.
Bertolami stated I suggest Mr. Goscicki get a copy of Mr. Thomas’ tax bill.
Mr.
Goscicki stated I will cross off all dollar amounts if you want but I want to
see whether Pine Tree and NSID are listed on it.
Ms.
Bertolami stated as a point of clarification and maybe to wrap this item up,
even if there is an easement at the south connecting NW 79th Way and
NW 80th Terrace and even if the District was willing to put an
east/west swale in there, this still does not get the water there so it is not very
helpful.
Mr.
Rosenof stated correct. There has to be
a two pronged approach.
Ms.
Bertolami stated it is a joint venture between all of the homeowners to get
these swales cleaned out.
Mr.
Rosenof stated if 80% of the homeowners in your neighborhood do not want to do this,
we are back to where we started from and unfortunately the people who were high
and dry will say “Why do I need to pay for this as you are getting all my water”.
Mr.
Goscicki stated typically in an area like this, you create a Special Assessment
District within the area, donate the right-of-way and allow someone in the
District to create the drainage improvements.
However, this cost stays with the property owners and the challenge you
are currently facing, is the cost to be borne by the property owners to get the
drainage off of your property to a point where it can be collected. This is clearly outside the purview of the Pine
Tree Water Control District to get involved on private property and those
drainage issues.
Mr.
Rosenof asked when we permit anything in Pine Tree, north or south of the
Sawgrass Expressway do we permit the grading of the swale or is it built in?
Mr.
Craven responded it is strictly done by the City of Parkland.
Mr.
Rosenof asked do we inspect it?
Mr.
Craven responded we do not have anything to do with building a private house on
a private piece of property.
Mr.
Rosenof asked because the private land owner owns the swale?
Mr.
Craven responded yes.
Mr.
Brewer stated the typical homeowner will grade all the way back to his easement
line and then he will stop and call me to ask me whether they need to grade the
swale. I will tell them not to touch it
because I do not know where it is supposed to be. Who does?
There is supposed to be an existing swale there so if I start telling
homeowners to change it, then I have to go back to every homeowner on Holmberg Road
to get the new grades, transfer it over and say “This house is supposed to be such
and such a grade but nothing uphill is graded and needs to be left alone”.
Ms.
Bertolami stated the difference is the swales were actually built.
Mr.
Rosenof stated they were built correctly at one point.
Mr.
Craven stated correct.
Ms.
Bertolami stated but none were built south of the Sawgrass Expressway.
Mr.
Thomas stated I bought my property in 1969 south of the Sawgrass Expressway and
started building in 1970 when it was part of Broward County and not the City of
Parkland. Later, we had the option of incorporating
with Coral Springs or Parkland and we chose Parkland. Everything was fine and then all of the
sudden we had a pump house canal at the end of SR 7 and the Sawgrass Expressway
came along and cut us off. We are now stuck
here surrounded by different water systems and no drainage. Mr. DeBrusco built the house at the end of
our street and they let him put a berm in back of his property to stop water
flowing to Whispering Woods Lake. Now we
have a berm sitting there.
Mr.
Rosenof stated I think we have at least an idea on how to get this matter
resolved. At least we have an avenue to
go down so we will see where it brings us next month. Let us know how you did with the city. I will call Ms. Gardner-Young tomorrow to
tell her what you will be talking to her about.
Mr.
Goscicki stated the only other issue we were looking into is on NW 66th
Way where the water came up to a drainage ditch, where one of the homeowners
put in and filled with dirt. The
question is whether or not we own the ditch.
We were told at the last Board meeting we do not own it. This ditch drains 205 properties.
Ms.
Klahr asked is this the homeowner we wrote the letter to, Mr. Butters?
Mr.
Goscicki responded yes. This ditch runs
along the entire area and affects all of these properties.
Mr.
Rosenof stated we do not own it.
Mr.
Goscicki stated the Board asked us to go send a letter to the affected property
owners stating we were not going to maintain this ditch. It turns out there are 205 homeowners. Before we send letters to all 205 homeowners,
I want to do some more research before 205 people show up at your next Board
meeting, on the ownership. If we do not
own it, then we need to come up with a solution.
Mr.
Brewer stated I think this is the same issue Mr. Craven and I discussed where
we concluded the city owns the easement and gave them the permit to put the
pipe there. The only thing I think we
can do as the District is to notify the city they have a problem, which is
causing us drainage problems.
Mr. Rosenof stated we did.
Mr.
Brewer stated if this is the case, they can either fix it themselves or do
wherever we want but they are going to call us when things start flooding.
Mr.
Goscicki stated I will send a letter to the City Manager notifying the city based
on our records, we believe this canal is under their ownership and even though
we maintained it historically, we are going to cease maintenance and expect the
city to maintain it. We can have them
acknowledge back to us at least they received the letter. Let me draft something and run it by District
Counsel.
Ms.
Bertolami asked is this preferable to establishing an easement or is that an
option?
Ms.
Klahr responded it may end up there but we will see.
Mr.
Goscicki stated someone needs to maintain this canal and is what this is going
to come down to.
SIXTH
ORDER OF BUSINESS Attorney’s
Report
Ms.
Klahr stated two issues were raised at the last meeting. The first is we need to confirm what we own
and do not own. Mr. Goscicki and Mr.
Craven were going to look at the existing documentation to try to minimize
costs. I think it is evident we need to
move forward. The other issue is in
regards to a question raised at the last meeting about the taxation of certain
properties such as roadways and parks owned by other governmental
agencies. I have been doing a great deal
of research on this District and I am going to request your indulgence to give
me more time. I am finding some issue with
the information I am uncovering and I want to have some time to go over it with
Mr. Goscicki. There are allegedly some
properties being taxed by multiple districts.
I have seen some errors and I want to see what I can do to fix them,
even if we need to transfer property within our Water Control District to NSID
once we work all of these problems out.
Maybe we need to do an agreement or address some of these issues in our
own legislation. The question is whether
or not this is going to be something we will have ready for the 2008 session or
if we are going to have to wait.
A
Board member stated we are going to have to do it soon.
Ms.
Klahr stated this is the whole point. I
am not sure whether or not we are going to make this session but we need to
look at some of these issues. In order
to answer your question, I need to address some of these issues. The point is not whether or not I have an
answer for you because I have one, but I do not want to discuss it further at
this point without more information. If
we have been collecting against those homeowners, let us continue doing so.
Mr.
Goscicki stated there are approximately 3,000 acres within the District and are
currently taxing 2,238 acres. This means
762 acres are not being taxed, which are showing up as government owned land when
we are printing out the tax bills. We
are digging into why these are considered government owned properties.
Ms.
Klahr stated I need to see which statutes apply. You have portions of various chapters as part
of this district, which does not fall squarely within the charter. Your legislation states these sections do not
apply but they do. I need to put all of
the pieces together and figure out historically what we have been doing and
where the pieces fit in. This came to my
attention, having seen a letter from one of the other districts, the Sunshine Water
Control District. Is this district in
Broward?
Mr.
Goscicki responded yes, it is also in Coral Springs.
Ms.
Klahr stated I believe their letter indicated a unit is a property.
Mr.
Goscicki stated their definition is different than ours.
Mr.
Thomas stated Ms. Klahr is expressing a good point of what is occurring between
these districts.
Mr.
Rosenof asked are you being billed by Sunshine too?
Mr.
Thomas responded no. If NSID has
information about what they are going to do, why is Sunshine not giving it to
us?
Ms.
Klahr responded the answer is all of this information is public but only they
are responsible and answerable to the residents within their jurisdiction. They are not going to send it to their
neighbors. You are more than welcome to
go to any of these agencies and get information from them. It is a public record but they are not going
to broadcast it to the world.
SEVENTH
ORDER OF BUSINESS Engineer’s
Report
Mr.
Craven stated I received a call from a resident yesterday, Mr. Robert Volpe
about an erosion problem at 6354 NW 56th Drive. I came by this afternoon but I did not stop
because I already made up my mind about what the legal ramifications were. To the best of my knowledge, Mr. Volpe lives south
of the Sawgrass Expressway. If I am not
mistaken, it does not abut the Sawgrass Expressway but faces the road running
parallel to it.
Mr.
Volpe stated I do not face the road; I am in the corner.
Mr.
Craven stated he is on the lake/canal running parallel to the Sawgrass Expressway. We have rights to the lake but it belongs to
the HOA. I do not recall us doing
anything about erosion on this lake.
Mr.
Thomas stated he does not live on the lake.
Mr.
Volpe stated we live on the north side of the canal before it opens up to the
lake. My backyard abuts the water.
Mr.
Craven stated you are on the water but you are not where it opens up into the
lake.
Mr.
Volpe stated I am part of the original canal before it was expanded to the lake.
Mr.
Craven stated to the best of my knowledge, this lake belongs to the HOA and if
you have a problem, it should be addressed by them.
Mr.
Volpe stated I contacted the HOA and they said it is not their property. The lake was owned by them prior to the canal
being extended.
Mr.
Craven stated all this district has, is the right to flow water to it by an
easement.
Mr.
Volpe asked who is responsible for maintaining the easement.
Mr.
Craven stated there is no easement.
Mr.
Rosenof asked how about along the edge of the bank?
Mr.
Craven stated I do not know. I assume
that there is an easement. You own the
property and the easement is maintained by the HOA to the best of my
knowledge.
Mr.
Craven stated I will contact Mr. Frederick.
Mr.
Brewer asked is this the one where the canal runs north/south and turns back
into the finger and runs east to west?
Mr.
Craven responded yes. He is in the
northwest corner.
Mr.
Brewer stated and I think the canal may not even be on the Coral Creek side and
may go back to the prior system.
Mr.
Craven stated as soon as I get further information I will get back to you.
Mr.
Volpe stated every time it rains, it just takes way more of the lake bank.
Mr.
Frederick stated as I explained to him, this is the way the water flows. He is
right on that bend so naturally he is going to get a current coming through
there.
A
Board member asked how long have you been out there?
Mr.
Volpe stated five years.
The
Board member asked you are now just experiencing this in the last couple of
weeks?
Mr.
Volpe responded I have been calling for two years.
Mr.
Craven asked did you ever have any trouble before?
Mr.
Volpe responded not before the hurricane.
Mr.
Frederick stated there are a couple of trees in there we never removed.
Mr.
Craven stated the trees definitely are not ours; they are on private property.
Mr.
Volpe stated they are still in our canal.
Mr.
Rosenof stated we are not taking any more trees.
Mr.
Frederick stated while the trees were in there, I was going to see if maybe we
could have them do something temporarily but this never happened so now, two
years down the road either we are in the same spot or worse.
Mr.
Rosenof stated before we do anything, we need to find out who owns this lake
and follow it up.
Mr.
Thomas stated you are sitting here saying we cannot remove the trees. The surveyors laid these properties out. This is someone’s responsibility. Do not sit there and say “We need to look into
this”. The Board cannot help. I know what you are doing.
Mr.
Rosenof stated I cannot help him. I wish
I could. It is not my property. There are a hundred lawyers who will sue us
for trespassing.
Mr.
Thomas stated true.
Mr.
Rosenof stated we are trying to do the right thing. After Wilma we said “We are going to fix
these problems” and started taking the trees out of the canals. Low and behold we were on private property,
which triggered an ultimate mess so we are trying to do things the right way.
Mr.
Thomas stated I called the city and said “FEMA was out here with there trucks
and they broke the edges of the roads off and are you going to repair the edge
of the road with FEMA money”. They put
their hands up like they were giving up.
Everyone has their hands up.
A
Board member said Mr. Brewer can find out and if he tells you it is the HOA’s,
then it is the HOA’s.
Mr.
Volpe stated thank you very much. I
appreciate you allowing me to stand before this Board.
EIGHTH ORDER OF BUSINESS Supervisor’s Report
There not being any, the next item followed.
NINTH ORDER OF BUSINESS Approval of Financials
and Invoices
On MOTION by Mr. Brewer seconded by Mr. Weissman with all in
favor the financials and check registers for July 2007 were approved.
TENTH ORDER OF BUSINESS Adjournment
There
being no further business,
On MOTION by Mr. Weissman seconded by Mr. Brewer with all in
favor the meeting was adjourned.
Paul
Brewer David
Rosenof
Secretary President