MINUTES
OF MEETING
PINE
TREE WATER CONTROL DISTRICT
A
meeting of the Board of Supervisors of the Pine Tree Water Control District was
held on Thursday, March 4, 2010 at 6:03 p.m. at the Parkland City Hall, 6600
North University Drive, Parkland, Florida.
Present and constituting a quorum were:
Paul Brewer Vice President
Donna McCann Benckenstein Assistant Secretary
Neil Study Supervisor
Mark Weissman Supervisor
Also present were:
Kenneth Cassel Manager
D.J. Doody Attorney
Warren Craven, Jr. Engineer
Randy Frederick Drainage
Supervisor
Dominick Peri Resident
Avraham Yeini Resident
George Zentefis Resident
FIRST ORDER OF
BUSINESS Roll
Call
Mr. Cassel called the meeting to order and called
the roll.
THIRD
ORDER OF BUSINESS Approval
of the Minutes of the January 7, 2010 Meeting
Mr.
Cassel stated each Board member received a copy of the minutes of the January
7, 2010 meeting and requested any changes, additions or deletions.
Mr. Weissman MOVED to approve the minutes of the January
7, 2010 meeting and Ms. Benckenstein seconded it.
Mr.
Study stated I volunteered for the easement granted for the new pool. I thought it was on the record that I
volunteered for him to give me a call when they were getting ready to excavate,
which did not occur. I recently went
over there. He is still under
construction. The pool is in; however,
the cleanup operation is less than satisfactory as far as I am concerned. There is no grass or anything else. I realize he still needs the deck and I am
not sure which direction he is coming for this deck; whether he is pumping
around the house or he is in that right-of-way.
The clean up operation is not satisfactory as of now, but realize; he is
still under construction.
The record will reflect Mr. Brewer joined
the meeting.
On VOICE vote with all in favor the minutes of the
January 7, 2010 meeting were approved.
Mr.
Cassel stated as Mr. Weissman suggested we will take questions from individuals
who are here from the public. One
individual is Mr. Zentefis. He contacted
me last week. He owns a property which
is adjacent to the Sawgrass Expressway.
He had been in contact with FDOT regarding the land adjacent to
him. It is currently owned by FDOT. This is one of those parcels we are in discussions
with FDOT as to land swap. Part of that
is how much land do we need to control what we have to do for the District and
how much land can go to the adjacent property owner. We are working with Sawgrass Authority and
FDOT on this at the present time. We
started working with them almost a year ago.
We are finishing up the ownership issues with the engineer so now we can go back and work with their
engineers, their attorney and our attorney to get this squared away. Mr. Zentefis wanted to speak to the Board
about this property and his situation. I
will let you take it from there.
Mr.
Zentefis stated the FDOT told me they are waiting for PTWCD to decide how much
land they want. I think the city has
first grabs, but they cannot declare it as surplus until PTWCD determines what
part it wants. They are waiting for you
to tell them what you want so they can declare the rest as surplus. The city will be asked if they want it and if
not, I am next in line as the adjacent property owner. It has been eight months and I was wondering
if you can tell them how much you want. If
you look up my property, it is a fictitious name with my name. My wife is in law enforcement so you will see
my property under a fictitious name and not my real name. That is all I am asking. For the PTWCD to tell the FDOT what you are
keeping.
Mr.
Craven stated Mr. Cassel and I met on this and a couple of other issues before
this meeting. We have taken the survey
we did along the Sawgrass Expressway, we have looked at all of the FDOT parcels
and what we feel we need from an engineering standpoint. Mr. Cassel and I are going to get together
with Mr. Frederick within the next week.
We want to make sure what we recommend is satisfactory to what he needs
for maintenance. As soon as we get
agreement on that we will go back to FDOT with what we are looking at.
Mr.
Weissman asked will you come back to us at the next meeting before going to
FDOT?
Mr.
Cassel responded yes. We will discuss
with FDOT how much land we are going to need and start that process. Then we will come back to get your approval
on what we need for our needs and the rest we will work with FDOT.
Mr.
Craven stated at the next meeting I would like to have a sketch and legal of
what we want to take. That would
indicate the surplus, which would get you moving in the right direction.
Mr.
Weissman stated we can inform him of when our next meeting is that we will have
that information.
Ms.
Benckenstein asked what is the next step after we approve it?
Mr.
Craven responded the next step is you and the attorneys work out the language. It should be straight forward. It is a burden to the FDOT right now. It is something they have to maintain and
they do not get any benefit from.
Mr.
Doody stated my initial reaction is if there is determination by this Board
that this property is surplus, it is an indication you do not want to carry it
or own it any longer. You would sell it,
but you will probably need an appraisal to determine a fair market value.
Mr.
Cassel stated we do not know. That is
FDOT. They were offering it to us and we
only want a piece of it. The rest we do
not want.
Mr.
Doody stated that is a lot easier.
Mr.
Craven stated originally when we first sat down with FDOT they wanted us to
take everything; obviously, we do not want to take what we do not need. This works out well for everyone.
Mr.
Weissman asked what types of plants are there?
Mr.
Zentefis responded they are all hollies.
Mr.
Weissman asked is your intention to remove all of that?
Mr.
Zentefis responded eventually.
Mr.
Weissman asked do we have any control over that to require that it be removed?
Mr.
Doody responded not on property we do not own.
Mr.
Brewer asked do we want to own it or do we want an easement?
Mr.
Craven responded I think an easement would be sufficient. I think FDOT would rather we own it just like
we would rather they own it. Maybe we
can structure it as…
Mr.
Brewer stated let him have it and give us an easement.
Mr.
Craven stated exactly.
Mr.
Zentefis asked what does that mean?
Mr.
Brewer responded it means you own it, but you give us access to it.
Mr.
Zentefis asked all of it?
Mr.
Cassel responded no. Typically there is
a 25’ or 50’ easement along the water.
Mr.
Zentefis stated I do not even know how much that is. The actual land is 2,200 square feet.
Mr.
Study stated we do not have a measurement on, for example….
Mr.
Zentefis stated I do not know how much 25 feet is. I called FDOT and they told me it was not
theirs. It is the turnpike’s.
Mr.
Brewer stated it is under the Sawgrass Expressway Authority.
Mr.
Zentefis stated Florida Turnpike Authority.
I told them this thing is overgrown and the hollies are in the easement
in the back. I clean my part. That is not clean. They told me they were supposed to clean it,
but it is not clean. Nobody is cleaning
it right now. I asked to get it and
eventually I am going to clean it. They
told me about the appraisal. That is
worth nothing to another private owner because it is less than an acre. There is nothing you can do with it in Pine
Tree Estates. Half an acre is worth what
if I have to clean it? That is going to
be negotiated in the price. There is no
need to talk about it right now because we have no deal. Once you tell me how much I am getting, bring
an appraisal and let us see what the deal is.
If I have to clean it, I will clean it.
It has to be cleaned because there are raccoons in there and they ate my
chickens two weeks ago. They may have
rabies. Who knows?
Mr.
Study stated I just want to bring it to everyone’s attention it would be a
perfect area for staging any canal cleaning efforts and debris removal
efforts. As you see the further west you
go it chokes. I am not sure what access
you have, Mr. Frederick will probably know, for that type of operation. As you know we got clipped during the storms
and had to do some of that. It is more beneficial
to rack and stack and bring a big grinder in than it is to request crossing
over people’s properties to get the debris out.
Mr.
Zentefis asked can I build on an easement?
Mr.
Cassel responded no.
Mr.
Brewer stated if we told you we wanted 25 feet of your property, you are going
to lose the 25 feet anyway. We are
saying we do not want to own it, but we want to have an agreement with you to
cross it. You would give us an easement
across the 25 feet and you would still own the land, but we would have access
to it. Just like in the rear of your
property. That is an easement.
Mr.
Zentefis stated I pay property tax on that too.
If it is an easement and I cannot build on it, than it is not a good
deal for me.
Mr.
Brewer stated it is not a good deal for us to own it either.
Mr.
Zentefis stated right now the cities are choking for money. That property is not contributing anything to
the city, the county or anyone. If I own
it, I am going to pay something. They
are hungry for money. They need money. There are properties around the city that
belong to the government and no one is paying money on it. I think it is in the best interest of every
government that a private party owns it.
If you need 10 feet to clean up, that is fine as long as there are not
any machines all of the time. It is a
residential area. If you are going to
use a big machine to clean up all the time, I am going to complain; not only
me, but my neighbors too. I just want to
clean it up. It is a mess in there. There are raccoons. There are bobcats. I have a four year old and a five year
old. When I called the state about the
bobcats they told me they do not touch the bobcats. They told me I have to trap them in my own
property. I tried to trap it and they
told me I could kill it. Shoot it in the
head.
Mr.
Brewer stated you cannot shoot it in Parkland.
Mr.
Zentefis stated no. They told me they
give me the right to capture it for euthanization. All I am asking is for you to keep what you
want or keep it all if you want. If you
are going to keep it all, my next step is to ask you to clean it up. If the turnpike wants to keep it, then I am
going to tell them to clean it up.
Mr.
Cassel stated we will bring it back to the Board and we will let you know after
the next meeting where we are on it. We
will keep Mr. Zentefis informed and we will go from there.
Mr.
Brewer stated you have step one in the right direction. We are heading somewhere.
Mr.
Zentefis asked do you need my information, should I call or when is the next
meeting?
Mr.
Cassel responded let me give you my card and you can contact me directly or
email me. I will stay in touch with you.
Mr.
Zentefis stated thank you.
Mr.
Yeini stated I am the owner for 5542 NW 57th Way. We had a meeting here where we talked about
the lake maintenance easement. At one
point we were not sure whether they existed or not. It turned out it does exist, but it is a part
of my pool area and part of the Florida room encroaches it. We came to an encroachment agreement so I
could continue to encroach. Then the
issue came up about abandoning it since you were not using it. I think it is on the agenda.
Mr.
Cassel stated yes. It is on the agenda
for abandonment tonight. We will be
taking it up in a couple of minutes.
SECOND ORDER OF
BUSINESS Organizational
Matters
A. Appointment
of Supervisor
Mr. Cassel stated the Board is aware there is a
vacant seat. There was a request that
the Board contact individuals to submit resumes for the Board’s
consideration. It is up to the Board’s
discretion to fill the seat. You had one
resume come in thus far. If that is
sufficient, then the Board can take action.
The Board has its own pleasure of how they want to handle this. It is up to the Board.
Mr. Weissman MOVED to appoint Mr. Peri to the
unexpired term left vacant by Ms. Bertolami and Ms. Benckenstein seconded it.
Mr.
Brewer stated I had someone who I thought was going to submit their resume, but
he did not put it in. I guess we have to
go with the one we have.
Mr.
Cassel asked is there any other discussion?
Mr.
Study asked do we want to give your man more opportunity?
Mr.
Brewer responded yes. It was not the
fact that he was not interested. He just
did not give me his resume in time. I
would like to entertain looking at, at least, one more resume if the Board
would favor that.
Mr.
Weissman asked can you tell us a little bit about the individual?
Mr.
Brewer responded he lives in Pine Tree Estates.
He is a general contractor. You
probably know him, Mr. Mrachek of Mrachek Brothers.
Mr.
Weissman stated yes. He sued the
city. Personally I would not like to see
him on this Board. Anything that causes
the taxpayers money in the city I am not in favor of.
Mr.
Brewer stated I am not sure I remember exactly what the details of that were.
Mr.
Weissman stated it had something to do with some construction in the city. I think it was BJs.
Mr.
Brewer stated I think his brother represented him. It was not exactly him. His brother was the attorney for BJs.
Mr.
Study stated being appointed and a fill in, I really think there should be some
qualifications in the area of drainage and construction. That is my only hesitancy. It is not a reflection on you sir.
Mr.
Weissman stated I think easements are just as important in land ownership and
transfer. Mr. Peri does serve on the
Planning and Zoning Board in Parkland.
On VOICE vote with Ms. Benckenstein and Mr. Weissman
voting aye and Mr. Brewer and Mr. Study voting nay the motion to appoint Mr.
Peri to vacant seat failed to pass.
Mr. Brewer stated I would like to see us bring a
couple of more people to look at. That
is the only reason I said no. It is
nothing personal.
Mr.
Peri stated none taken. It is what is in
the best interest of the city and not one individual.
Mr.
Brewer stated I would like to see all of us try to find someone.
Mr.
Weissman asked when did we last meet? Was
it in the beginning of January?
Mr.
Cassel responded yes. It was the January
meeting.
Mr.
Weissman stated two months and we have had one resume. If I am not mistaken, when Mr. Study was
appointed we had one resume. This means
we will sit with a short Board for an indeterminate time.
Mr.
Cassel stated if that is the direction of the Board at this time.
Mr.
Doody stated the Board can authorize advertising if you want to spend the
money.
Mr.
Brewer asked what will it cost us to advertise it?
Mr.
Cassel responded I am not sure off the top of my head, but we can put a small
notice in a local paper to see what kind of response we get.
Mr.
Doody asked what is the paper?
Mr.
Cassel responded I would have to figure out which one is the best as far as
circulation.
Mr.
Doody asked do you want Sun-Sentinel or a smaller circulation paper?
Mr.
Cassel responded I would say a smaller circulation towards the two cities.
Mr.
Peri stated if I may speak, you might want to be careful what you ask for.
Mr.
Cassel stated this is true. I guess at
that point the direction would be for the Board to talk to your neighbors if
they are interested, to submit their resumes for consideration at the next
meeting.
Mr.
Study asked when does this term expire?
Mr.
Cassel responded this would be for a four year term.
Mr.
Doody stated it is the unexpired term.
It is going to be a short term.
It may even be November. Mr.
Cassel and I were talking about this. I
have to go back and see when Ms. Bertolami came on Board. She had a four year term. I think she was here four years or maybe
exceeded that, but no one ran or was appointed.
Mr.
Cassel stated the next cycle should be 2010.
Mr.
Doody stated probably November, 2010.
Mr.
Brewer stated check on the term and give us a cost on what it will cost to
advertise it.
Mr.
Cassel stated okay. I will get that out
to you via email to all the Board members.
Mr.
Doody stated so you two are appointees and we have two elected official and one
unfilled elected seat. There are three
elected and two appointed.
Mr.
Brewer asked what guidelines are we under to fill the position? Is there anything that controls us or are
there any timeframes?
Mr.
Doody responded there is no timeframe.
Usually there is, but it says all
Supervisors shall hold their office for the terms which they are elected or
appointed until their successor shall be chosen and qualify. In the case of a vacancy in the office of any
Supervisor the remaining Supervisor or Supervisors may fill such vacancy by
appointment of a new Supervisor for the unexpired term of the Supervisor who
vacated the office. It does not talk
anymore about vacancies. Usually it says
the next meeting. There is usually a
time requirement, but there is no such requirement here. I would have advised you during the course of
this discussion on that.
Mr.
Brewer stated okay. The only thing we
have is basically not having a quorum.
Mr.
Doody stated you have a quorum. This is
why you are meeting. You just have an
even number and you just saw the result of a two/two vote.
Mr.
Brewer stated okay. So we need to get it
filled.
B. Oath
of Office of Newly Appointed Supervisor
C. Election
of Officers, Resolution 2010-1
The above items will be addressed at a future
meeting.
FOURTH ORDER OF
BUSINESS Manager’s
Report
Mr.
Cassel stated I just have a couple of quick things. I did not put anything on the agenda. One is the EPA nutrient level rulemaking or
requirements. They are looking into
regulations on total nitrogen and total phosphorous in canals and lakes. In my responsibilities, not only for PTWCD,
but other districts, I have been involved with the public carryings and putting
forth the parameters that the burden on water control districts, special
districts and improvement districts, whose canals were primarily constructed
for drainage and not recreation, would not be advantageous to the residents of
the districts. We have been putting
forth that the levels EPA is proposing are onerous to meet. Even in some of them sometimes the rainfalls do
not meet the nitrogen levels that they are trying to shoot for. We have been actively representing the Board
and the District in that we need to have some levels which are realistic to
what was originally intended for the District, for the drainage and for the
water.
I
just wanted to bring you up to date on this.
There were conference calls today and even several emails. They have extended the period for public
comment. It was supposed to be over
March 30, 2010. They have extended it to
April 30, 2010. They have extended it
another 30 days for the public to comment to the EPA before this rulemaking
process is completed.
Mr.
Study asked have we tested? Do we know
the quality?
Mr.
Cassel responded we are not required to test.
Are we Mr. Frederick?
Mr.
Frederick responded no. We are not
required to. We do it for the other
districts, but not for this District.
Mr.
Brewer asked how do we control it? Do we
have a lot of runoff coming into the District?
Mr.
Frederick responded yes.
Mr.
Brewer stated the Sawgrass Expressway being one.
Mr.
Frederick stated this is why these levels they are proposing are not realistic. Plus we do not have any control over the
stuff that is coming into the system when it is raining and we are letting
water out.
Mr.
Brewer stated I think I talked to somebody a while back. I do not think even Broward County can
conform.
Mr.
Frederick stated I do not think anybody can.
Mr.
Brewer stated so I guess we are not alone.
I do not know if that helps or nor, but I know they were having
trouble.
Mr.
Cassel stated one of the issues which was brought up at one of the public
meetings is that the water from the northern part of the state, which flows
south and ends up down here, does not have to be as clean as the water we need
to have down here. It would also be
putting an undue burden on the people in the southern part of the state to
clean up what they did not clean up on the north half. They are looking at some realistic issues and
again, districts do not have the ability to regulate what kind of fertilizer,
how much fertilizer, the type of fertilizer that is sold in stores and the
cities do not have that authority either.
It becomes a problematic issue to make someone clean something up on the
tail end when you cannot regulate it on the front end. The FASD has been very active in this fight
as well because it has major potential impacts on the residents.
The
other item is for the next meeting we are meeting internally and beginning to
work on the budget. We will have the
initial proposed budget ready for the next meeting, which will be in May, for
your review. I just wanted to let you
know that was coming up. It seems like
we just finished budget season.
Mr.
Weissman asked do we have a meeting scheduled in April?
Mr.
Cassel responded yes. We can bring it up
at the next meeting and start working through the budget issues. That is all I have under the Manager’s
Report.
FIFTH ORDER OF
BUSINESS Attorney’s
Report
A. Consideration
of Resolution 2010-2, Abandoning the District’s Easement
Mr.
Doody stated I handed out to you for your consideration a resolution, which
serves to vacate and abandon the 15’ lake maintenance utility easement located
in the rear portions of lots 1-23 Block U as set forth in the Coral Creek
plat. I do not have a legal description
of metes and bounds for that, but that is how I described it. With the help of Mr. Brewer yesterday I got
it straightened out. As you take a look
at the plat you can see the easement runs right along the lake.
Mr.
Weissman stated we already discussed this in depth at the last meeting.
Mr.
Doody stated then I will read the title and move on. I will keep my comments short. A resolution by title only; A
resolution of the Board of Supervisors of the PTWCD authorizing and approving
the vacating of the lake maintenance easement created by the Coral Creek plat
as recorded in Plat Book 146 at page 6 of the public records of Broward County,
Florida; providing for severability, providing for conflicts; and providing for
an effective date.
Mr.
Weissman asked do we have cost recovery on any recording of this?
Mr.
Doody responded no sir. This will
probably cost $10 or $12.
Mr. Weissman MOVED to adopt Resolution 2010-2.
Mr. Brewer stated this is not the same issue we
discussed at the last meeting. It is,
but it is not. Correct me if I am wrong
Mr. Doody. We had a homeowner who wanted
the easement to disappear. In lieu of
that we came back as the Board and represented that we were going to abandon
the easement on all of the lots.
Mr.
Doody stated this is going to affect 23 lots.
Mr.
Yeini asked when you say 23 lots; are they everyone who aligns on that lake
along the entire street?
Mr.
Doody responded yes. What lot number are
you?
Mr.
Yeini responded I do not know.
Mr.
Brewer stated I think he is lot 15 or 16.
Mr.
Doody stated you are right in the middle so it curves around and goes all the
way out. That whole strip.
On MOTION by Mr. Weissman seconded by Mr. Study with
all in favor Resolution 2010-2, abandoning the District’s easement, was
adopted.
SIXTH ORDER OF
BUSINESS Engineer’s
Report
Mr.
Craven stated at the next meeting we will bring you, not only the sketch and
legal for the property of Mr. Zentefis, but there is also three more which are
currently owned by the turnpike that we need some easements over. Since it was brought up in the discussion
with the homeowner; do we want to pursue these as easements? Do we want to pursue these as ownership?
Mr.
Weissman asked if we said we wanted to take ownership, would the Turnpike
Authority sell it to us or trade it to us?
Mr.
Doody responded they would probably convey it as a dedication.
Mr.
Weissman asked at that point could we sell the unneeded portion?
Mr.
Doody responded yes, if you declare it as surplus property.
Mr.
Weissman asked would it not be to our benefit to first take ownership?
Mr.
Study responded I thought that was the discussion; that it is being transferred
to the city first.
Mr.
Weissman stated no. It is being offered
to the city first, but if the city does not take it and the District takes it,
and then the District got the appraisals and offered to sell it, the District
would receive the revenue. Am I correct?
Mr.
Doody responded yes sir; if you have a buyer.
Mr.
Weissman stated well if we came to terms with these landowners. It is either that or the Turnpike Authority
is going to take the revenue.
Mr.
Study asked are the other parcels as large as this?
Mr.
Craven responded no. That is probably
the largest one.
Mr.
Doody asked was he accurate when he said 2,200 square feet?
Mr.
Brewer responded close to it.
Mr.
Weissman stated he said half of an acre.
That is half of an acre.
Mr.
Craven stated probably close to it. We
have not done the legal on the land portion of it.
Mr.
Study stated the value of this piece of property to that homeowner goes up if
he can cross the boundary of this property, which eliminates the inside
easements. It is valuable to him, but no
one else. I still go back to the
maintenance question. Do we need a
staging area under emergency conditions to land debris? I remember in Homestead that was quite an
obstacle for us in the Army Corps of Engineers.
We had battles like crazy down there with heavy equipment sitting.
Mr.
Doody stated so you would think of it as a staging area.
Mr.
Cassel stated a section of it so you have some place to stage and do stuff.
Mr.
Weissman asked do you need a half of an acre?
Mr.
Study responded yes, when you start pulling big debris out; absolutely.
Ms.
Benckenstein asked how would you get all the trucks in there?
Mr.
Study responded right down the street.
Mr.
Brewer stated I think it is 79th Way.
Mr.
Study stated I am just throwing it out.
I do not know if you have access from the other side; from the Sawgrass
Expressway.
Mr.
Craven stated we have no access from the Sawgrass Expressway.
Mr.
Study stated that is my only thought.
Mr.
Weissman stated it is a good thought.
Mr.
Study stated we actually floated trees down the ditches to get to a landing
zone. The tree is their’s until it falls
into your water.
Mr.
Weissman asked the question is; do we need ownership?
Mr.
Study responded if his intent is to build, it is one thing to install a fence,
but I am looking at his property. He is
pushing to the south. If it is his
intent to build a structure there, then that obviously impedes us.
Mr.
Weissman stated we might be able to work with him on enough room for a
barn. Maybe we can work with the city on
setbacks he would be required if we maintained the rest that is undeveloped.
Ms.
Benckenstein stated if we sold part of it to him, not if we kept it as a
staging area.
Mr.
Brewer stated I guess when you meet with FDOT you need to entertain the
opportunity of us owning it.
Mr.
Craven stated that is their preference right now.
Mr.
Weissman stated if we own it, maybe we can get enough revenue from the sale of
the portion of it to clean up all of it.
So we could use it. Then we would
have the maintenance expense.
Mr.
Craven stated you would have a big initial clean up expense and then you would
have to mow it.
Mr.
Weissman stated but the sale of the piece may cover that.
Mr.
Cassel asked is this piece next to this wedge another piece of identified land?
Mr.
Craven responded yes.
Mr.
Doody asked do you need both of the pieces or just one of the two?
Mr.
Craven responded we need both. We need part
of both.
Mr.
Cassel stated we need part of both because it kind of continues to flow down.
Mr.
Brewer asked where is the other piece?
Mr.
Craven responded at the very end, at the termination of the canal where it
turns north along Riverside Drive, there is another piece there.
Mr.
Brewer stated I guess you are going to be talking to FDOT about all three
pieces at the same time.
Mr.
Craven stated yes. Let me put together
an aerial that shows all the pieces together.
If we might be considering something different than we initially were, I
think we should discuss it before we go too much further with them on it. I can get something to Mr. Cassel and he can
distribute it so you can look at it ahead of the next meeting.
Mr.
Study asked is there any other large access?
Mr.
Frederick responded the only other place would be…
Mr.
Study stated would be FPL’s easement.
Mr.
Frederick stated there and the other end where FDOT has the retention area,
which I am sure they are not going to give up.
Mr.
Study stated but FPL is a good shot. It
may be profitable to just shove it out the door and maybe some of these other
owners would like these.
Mr.
Weissman stated you have to hope they will or otherwise you are stuck with
it.
Mr.
Frederick stated we will have to look and see what kind of access we have under
FPL. You have a lot of people who put
stuff up under the FPL lines too to get access back to the canal. People have corrals back there.
Mr.
Study stated they lease it. I am on NW
69th Way and if you just go on the east side of it, those guys are
leasing. It is cheap, but they are
leasing.
Mr.
Cassel asked do you have anything else Mr. Craven?
Mr.
Craven responded just that we are going to try to set up a meeting where the
three of us, Mr. Frederick, Mr. Cassel and I, can go over maintenance issues
and we will look at this area in particular.
We will look at the options of FPL.
This is really the one canal we have very little access to.
Mr.
Study stated it happens to be pretty deep in water.
Mr.
Craven stated it is kind of critical.
Mr.
Study stated you can get choked.
Mr.
Frederick stated in some areas it is deep and large. In other areas it is very narrow and thin.
Mr.
Craven stated this one as well as the north/south canal are your two critical
canals. The rest of them are pretty
insignificant for draining the District.
Mr.
Cassel asked is there anything else?
Mr.
Craven responded no.
Mr.
Brewer asked what about the finalized map?
Mr.
Craven responded that is another meeting we are setting up. Mr. Doody, Mr. Cassel and I need to get
together to go over where we stand on some of the questions; specially the maintenance
map issue along the Sawgrass Expressway.
That is the biggest sticking point right now.
SEVENTH ORDER OF
BUSINESS Supervisors’
Requests
Mr. Cassel asked are there any issues which need to
be covered?
Mr.
Frederick responded the erosion problem on 66th Drive.
Mr.
Cassel stated we talked about that. We
are going to do some investigative work.
We are going to chase down some as-built maps. We will take a look at that to see what might
be the conditions or what the issue is with that.
Mr.
Frederick stated I brought some pictures if you want to look at them.
Mr.
Cassel stated one of the lake banks is kind of shifted. It is not a pedestrian travel space per se. We fenced it off and we are going to look to
see what the issue is.
Mr.
Study asked where is that?
Mr.
Frederick responded it is at the north end of this lake.
Mr.
Study stated in Coral Creek.
Mr.
Frederick stated yes.
Mr.
Cassel stated we have this same type of issue in CSID in various
locations. They have it in NSID. They have had it in Turtle Run CDD.
Mr.
Study stated angle of repose.
Mr.
Cassel stated a little bit of change in stuff, water changes, some shifts a
little bit. What we had in CSID was the
reason it shifted was because the original bank was there, but then when they
built all the pools and they had all the dirt they were hauling away, they kind
of pushed it over and it was not compacted.
After a certain number of years it is starting to shift a little bit.
Mr.
Study stated they broke back the cap rock and they overfill for safety slope
and now the slope is breaking.
Mr.
Craven stated this one looks like the cap rock layer there failed and
dropped. You can see some of the rock
slipped out into the canal. What we are
looking at whether we want to address the immediate problems and wait and see
on the rest of it or whether we need to correct the whole bank at the same
time.
Mr.
Brewer asked where is the property line at?
Is it around the tree area?
Mr.
Craven asked in the right-of-way?
Mr.
Brewer responded yes.
Mr.
Craven stated it is probably to the other side of the fence.
Mr.
Study stated that is pretty steep.
Mr.
Craven stated yes. The other thing you
want to note on this one is there are houses on three sides of this lake. The slope there is much flatter than the
slope up against the road. The good
thing is I do not think we are going to have any failure problems in
backyards.
Mr.
Brewer asked what do you think you are going to do to fix it?
Mr.
Craven responded to fix it permanently you will have to go in there with some
big equipment, break off that rock ledge and re-grade that bank. You do not want to just start dumping dirt
into the lake until it stops sliding.
Mr.
Brewer asked Mr. Frederick, what did they use in CSID? Did they put something on those banks to hold
them?
Mr.
Cassel responded they used some geo tube on part of it.
Mr.
Frederick stated they also used some material they used in SWCD. It is like a mesh material they laid down,
almost like a carpet.
Mr.
Craven stated there should be a textile you can put on there.
Mr.
Study stated you have to stabilize underneath first.
Mr.
Craven stated yes. That is what I think
we need to do.
Mr.
Study asked what is your estimate on the cheapest route?
Mr.
Craven responded the cheapest route is to push the downhill side down to fill
your hole, re-sod it and wait to see what happens. That is not going to be very expensive.
Mr.
Study asked can you get to it?
Mr.
Craven responded you can get to it.
There is a guardrail there, but you can get to it. It is adjacent to the road so it is easy to
get to. You just have to take down a
panel of guardrail to get there.
Mr.
Brewer asked can we pressure grout it?
Mr.
Study responded it would have to be in stages if you did that, but once you
have the cap rock on it again you can then do whatever you want on our
side.
Mr.
Craven stated if we are going to look at that route, I suggest we get a geotech
involved. That is not our area of
expertise.
Mr.
Brewer stated the nice part of it is we do not have any homes adjacent to it. We have a road, but there is quite a bit of
distance between the road and the slope.
Mr.
Craven stated I do not think there is any chance of it affecting the road.
Mr.
Brewer stated someone falling in the crack right now.
Mr.
Craven stated that is the biggest concern and Mr. Frederick fenced it off right
away.
Mr.
Frederick stated the homeowners are concerned about the school down the street
and the kids that pass by there everyday.
They are concerned about kids getting in there. We barricaded it off the best we could, but
if someone wants to get in there, they will get in there.
Mr.
Brewer stated I think we need to get it fixed.
Mr.
Study stated I do too. Also, what
happens in this case is usually the lake is over dug. The angle of repose keeps sliding and
sliding. We need to stabilize and take
the risk factor out of there for people.
That is the biggest thing. We do
not care if it slides. It is who is
going in with it.
Mr.
Frederick stated if another section breaks off other than that section, you
might have the sidewalk involved. There
are trees there, the guardrail and everything.
I do not know if that is going to happen or not.
Mr.
Brewer asked what do you need from us to get to work?
Mr.
Cassel responded you pretty much have given us the direction. We will get started on finding an appropriate
repair for it and get it stabilized.
Mr.
Brewer stated okay.
Mr.
Cassel asked are there any other Supervisors’ requests?
There
not being any, the next item followed.
EIGHTH
ORDER OF BUSINESS Approval
of Financials and Check Registers
There
being no questions or comments,
On MOTION by Mr. Weissman seconded by Ms.
Benckenstein with all in favor the financials and check registers were approved.
NINTH ORDER OF
BUSINESS Adjournment
There being no further business,
On MOTION by Mr. Weissman seconded by Ms.
Benckenstein with all in favor the meeting was adjourned.
Kenneth
Cassel Paul
Brewer
Assistant
Secretary Vice
President