MINUTES OF MEETING
CORAL SPRINGS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT
The regular meeting of the Board of
Supervisors of the Coral Springs Improvement District was held Monday, June 24,
2002 at 4:10 P.M. in the District Office, 10300 N. W. 11 Manor, Coral Springs,
Florida.
Present and constituting a quorum
were:
Robert Fennell President
Karl Miller Vice President
Also present were:
Gary L. Moyer Manager
Rhonda K. Archer Finance
Director
Dennis Lyles Attorney
Jane Early Engineer
Steven Weinberg Attorney for
Eagle Trace
Louis Brawer Property Manager
Mr. & Mrs. Martin Friedman Residents
Warren Craven WCI Communities
Roda Fodderingham City of Coral
Springs
Stephen Read Resident
FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS Roll Call
Mr. Fennell called the meeting to
order and Mr. Moyer called the roll.
SECOND
ORDER OF BUSINESS Consideration of
Appointment of a Supervisor to Fill the Unexpired Term of Office
Mr. Moyer stated Mr. Churchill
passed away and we will certainly miss him.
Mr. Fennell stated Mr. Churchill was
a valuable member of the Board and brought a wealth of experience from a number
of areas and we will miss him.
Mr. Fennell introduced Mr. Steve
Read and stated I have known him for a number of years and he has lived in this
community for 19 years. He is a respected
member of the community, works in sales for 3M and is the Commander of the U.S.
Army Reserve in South Florida. He will
bring a wealth of experience to our Board.
Mr. Miller stated I would like to
put a notice in the paper so that anyone interested can put in a resume as
well.
Mr. Fennell stated since there is
only one year left and we only meet once a month, we don't want to spend too
much time trying to move forward.
Mr. Miller stated we can have it
resolved by the next meeting.
THIRD
ORDER OF BUSINESS Approval of
the Minutes of the May 20, 2002 Meeting
Mr. Moyer stated that each Board
member had received a copy of the minutes of the May 20, 2002 meeting and
requested any additions, corrections or deletions.
There not being any,
On
MOTION by Mr. Miller seconded by Mr. Fennell with all in favor the minutes of
the May 20, 2002 meeting were approved as submitted.
FOURTH
ORDER OF BUSINESS Presentation by
Eagle Trace Community Association
Mr. Weinberg stated I am an attorney
and represent the Eagle Trace Community Association. I asked the Eagle Trace board not to have a
lot of people here today but asked Mr. Brawer who is the Property Manager, and
Martin Friedman, past President of the Association as well as his wife to be
here. The Board is aware that there is a
berm that runs along the west side of the community on the other side of the
canal and the plat limits of the community are on the east side of the canal
where it meets the waters edge. You have
the Eagle Trace Community, the plat boundary, a canal that runs north and south
along the Sawgrass and to the west side of the canal is a berm. The berm literally drops into the canal. I will try to be for the most part factual,
in my story and then we will get into the issues. In the early 1980's apparently the Sawgrass
Expressway Authority desired to construct and build the Sawgrass
Expressway. At that point in time the
Coral Springs Improvement District maintained the drainage canal that
essentially sat in the northbound right hand lane of the Sawgrass
Expressway. In other words, to build the
expressway they needed to relocate the canal.
In doing so, the Coral Springs Improvement District and the Sawgrass
Expressway entered into negotiations for the relocation of that canal. Florida National Properties deeded the
expressway property to the Expressway authority in 1983 or 1984 and thereafter,
they started the construction and relocation of the canal. It appears they finished the relocation of
that canal sometime in 1986. I have
taken it upon myself to review all of the records of the District as well as
the Florida Department of Transportation and it appears that the original plans
provided for the berm to be constructed with a terrace, meaning that at the top
of the berm as it came down there would be a 12 foot terrace and then it would
drop into the water. The theory being,
in my review of the information, is that a maintenance vehicle would be able to
traverse on the flat terrace area and take care of the property of the upper
portion of the berm and have access to the lower portion. It appears that the berm was not constructed
that way. In fact when the Sawgrass
Expressway went to closing with the District on the swap of land, the deed was
held in escrow. One of the reasons the
deed was held in escrow was because of the concerns of the engineer that the
berm was not property constructed. In
1993 for whatever reason the deed was recorded.
Here we are in 2002 and we have a berm essentially in a state of
disrepair. In an effort to bring some
understanding to what we are looking at we made booklets. The District felt compelled to retain
engineers, I believe it was Gee & Jenson, and they performed the survey of
the berm and issued reports that the berm was not constructed correctly. Mr. Moyer on behalf of the District wrote
several letters back and forth to Sam Goren indicating the construction
deficiencies and in fact what is interesting to note is a factual account in
1989 the District authorized, Florida National Properties to install some
improvements on top of the berm, I guess as a sight line issue concerning the
Eagle Trace Community. In fact, in
theory the District didn't even own the property then but nevertheless they
issued the permit. In the late 1990's
because of the unsightliness of the berm, the Association made inquiries as a
result of the City having made inquiries to maintain some property. As a general rule the District's theory
behind its establishment, was to try to obtain its rights of ways or use of
property in the form of easements. In
most instances the District does not own the property to the waters edge and in
most instances in fairness to the District, it is the property owners
responsibility to maintain property. I
started a letter writing campaign to Ms. Archer and she wrote back saying no,
it is your responsibility. I wrote back
saying it was not our responsibility, show me.
Apparently after consulting with counsel for the District, I received a
letter saying, see section 3.04 of my declaration for Eagle Trace. My declaration for Eagle Trace only covers
the property for what Eagle Trace is comprised of which is not the berm area -
it is on the other side of the canal. I
then made inquiries of the F.D.O.T. who disavowed any responsibility. I then took it upon myself on behalf of the
association to have the berm surveyed and what it revealed on a certified title
search was that the District was in fact the owner of the property from the top
of the berm through and including the canal.
You have in front of you pictures of the berm area and apparently it
shows a lot of dead vegetation, a lot of unsightly vegetation and what I
characterize as a complete state of disrepair.
The association at one point did and still does want to improve the berm
and change the sight lines as far as the view.
I agree if the property were owned by the association subject to an
Improvement District easement, we would be responsible. I have made demands upon the District to
repair and maintain the berm in accordance with City code which requires that
you maintain its original state and we have a dispute with Mr. Lyles as to what
the original state was. Was it grass,
when it was improved in 1989 by F.N.P. or is it just dirt? I don't understand why it has taken from mid
1999 to the current date, to get some action.
Essentially the Association would like to see the maintenance of the
berm which is land owned by the District which is probably an unusual
circumstance in the District sense.
Secondly, to the extent that the City code requires it be brought back
to its original state, we met with the City of Coral Springs and the discussion
came up about putting grass on the berm and the problems that presented was
access and maintenance. With all
fairness, not the Associations problem but in fairness it is, we all live in
the same community and have to help each other.
To that extent the Association made an offer, although it was not formal
in the sense of being approved by the board but there is some authority sitting
here today, that we would pay the incremental cost to install seagrape. The City of Coral Springs landscape architect
was present at that meeting with Mr. Lyles and Ms. Archer and he concurred that
seagrape would be a good solution. It
requires no maintenance. Not only would
the association consider paying the incremental cost for the installation, the
maintenance obligation of the District would be zero in the sense that grass
has to be mowed four times per year and the seagrape requires no irrigation, it
is natural, it is indigenous to the community and it is a good solution. To that extent I ask the Board to consider
working with the association and that is why I didn't bring 50 people
here. Everybody is upset but that is not
going to help resolve it. I ask the
Board to consider working with the association for a resolution of this. The City of Coral Springs indicated they
would put on the bid list of the City, the cost of the seagrape so that we
could obtain a good cost and we would reimburse the City. In July 1998 there were a couple of letters
issued by the Coral Springs Improvement District under Mr. Moyer's signature,
one was to David Unsel of the S.F.W.M.D. when they were in litigation with the
Authority. This is after they obtained
the services of Gee & Jenson to issue a report and this letter was written
with the knowledge of the report that there were construction defects on the
terrace. it goes on to say, "the Expressway
authority and the District desires to record the deeds, however, prior to the Districts
approving the relocated canals it is necessary that the S.F.W.M.D. address
whether any enforcement actions will be taken against the Districts after the
date of acceptance in dealing with the deviations from the as-built relocated
canals to the design cross sections.
Simply stated, I do not want the Districts to be penalized in the future
for any construction defects that were caused by the Expressway
Authority." I cannot understand why
the District would have accepted the deeds, knowing that there were
defects. More importantly, in a letter
of February 26, 1988 to Mr. Goren who was the escrow agent, the letter
concludes the following, "Some of the defective construction of the
relocated canals may adversely effect the ability of the District to properly
drain the properties within the Districts and all of the legal positions aside,
the Authority has the moral obligation to honor its commitments so that the
property owners within the Districts are not adversely effected." Here we are fourteen years later and the
property owners are adversely effected.
When these property owners moved in the canal wasn't even there, the
improvements were made after the community started, albeit the west side of the
community was not constructed, still Eagle Trace was there. I think there is a requirement that this be
worked out. I don't want to threaten
anyone but suggest that sharing the resources and the abilities we can find a
solution.
Mr. Moyer stated let me address some
of the issues that Mr. Weinberg has brought to your attention. The reason the District finally, by Board
action, agreed to have the deeds recorded is that we simply did not want to own
the underlying fee simple property on which there was a super highway
built. We felt there was more liability
owning that property with people crashing into each other than there was by the
District accepting the deed. The
concerns that were raised with the S.F.W.M.D. were appropriate at that time and
that is, we didn't want big brother coming back to us and saying, by the way
redig your canal because it is not in accordance with the side slopes that you
by your permit issued to you, have to construct canals by. The whole Sawgrass Expressway story is a
disaster. I don't know if you remember
that but it was a true disaster where I think people even went to jail for
overdigging canals and there are cases where they undermined. Part of the concern about the drainage
integrity was that they actually undermined part of the canal banks by
overdigging the canals and there were occasions in North Springs Improvement
District, north of Wiles Road, where property was falling into the canal. That was the concern we had when I voiced
that we were concerned about the drainage integrity of that canal at that time
given the cross sections. The reality is
at the end of the day when we looked at each other in 1988, there really wasn't
any other choice, other than for the District to own a part of the toll road
and the Board of Supervisors at that time, chose not to own a toll road.
Mr. Fennell stated at that time
there was no property along those lines.
Mr. Moyer stated there was no
property that was constructed at that time that backed up to that
embankment.
Mr. Fennell stated then no one was
surprised when they moved in to have the canal bank.
Mr. Weinberg stated in 1989 Florida
National Properties was issued a permit by the District to plant the materials
and it is that material which has now died.
Mr. Moyer stated I know Ms. Archer
has been in contact with representatives of WCI which were the original permit
holders. Is there an update on that
situation?
Ms. Archer responded the District
did issue a permit to Florida National Properties at the time which is now a
part of WCI Communities and that permit was given to them to install weeping
love grass from Atlantic Boulevard to Royal Palm Boulevard. it appears that when they went in, there was
an irrigation system that was later abandoned and some actual trees that were
installed, I believe palm trees and deciduous trees. Some of those are still out there but it is
hard to tell where the weeds leave off and the trees take over in some
areas. I called Mr. Craven, who is here
today and talked to him about the permit that was issued and the maintenance
responsibilities under that permit and rather than speaking for WCI, I asked
Mr. Craven to be here today to tell the Board and the residents of Eagle Trace
what he told me.
Mr. Craven stated I am the Director
of Development with WCI Communities. I
wasn't here when this transpired and some things in your presentation I was not
aware of. I do have some knowledge of
the Sawgrass Expressway construction. My
understanding is that we were issued the permit, we installed the landscaping
and irrigation system and it was our intent to turn the maintenance obligation
over to Eagle Trace Homeowners Association.
We cannot find any evidence that that ever happened so I venture to say
the responsibility of maintenance still lies with us. We are willing to participate in some kind of
remediation but some of the things that have come out such as this section
being changed, I need to look into a little further. We are still willing to participate in some
way in the resolution of this.
Mr. Moyer stated you may not have
had direct knowledge but I can tell you that Florida National Properties had a
lot of direct knowledge of the situation of that canal bank and how it was dug
and actually participated in brokering the deal between the District and the
Expressway authority to get these swaps and you may recall there were monetary
damages. There was a suit against the
Expressway Authority in which Florida National Properties received compensation
for taking lands. That was primarily in
North Springs yet they had a lot of knowledge about what was going on with
that.
Ms. Archer stated in my
conversations with Mr. Craven he indicated certain commitments.
Mr. Craven stated I committed that
we would go in and clean it up once and then turn over the maintenance to the
District. We are trying to work with the
D.O.T. to gain access to it from the expressway side because now I would have
to send a crew over in boats and it will take forever. I know there was a job just let on the
Sawgrass berm expansion and we are hoping to work in that window to do this
work more efficiently and economically.
Mr. Weinberg stated at some of our
earlier meetings the D.O.T. indicated that they would give us access.
Ms. Archer stated we called them and
talked to Christopher Warren and talked about getting access for our people or
WCI's people and they had no desire to give us access even after they put in
writing that they were going to give us access if we needed it. We have not had any success at all.
Mr. Weinberg stated it is
interesting because the F.D.O.T. is a derivative of the Sawgrass Expressway
Authority and if you look at the old files, which I have, there are letters
back and forth which indicated you wanted an access point once every fifth of a
mile. To accept the property without the
slope being correct and now to not give access, it is not fair. They stated in meetings that Ms. Archer
attended that they would give access.
Ms. Archer responded later they
stopped coming to the meetings altogether.
Mr. Weinberg stated I believe
someone could bring an action against D.O.T. to correct the slope of the berm
but there is a statute of limitations issue.
Ms. Archer stated probably between
the three groups we can put enough pressure on the D.O.T. to give us access Mr.
Craven needs to get men and equipment in to clear it out.
Mr. Lyles stated what we know for
sure is that there is not one single feature of this entire controversy that is
like anything else that we run into. It
is completely unique.
Mr. Weinberg stated that is why I
didn't have people here. At our meetings
they are screaming. It has been going on
for three years. It doesn't help anybody
to have lawsuits or threats of lawsuits, that is why I am here with just a few
people and I appreciate WCI's presence and the Assistant City Attorney. I beg the Board to consider putting some
directive out there that will authorize working with us to fix this and to the
extent that there is an incremental cost increase for seagrape versus grass, I
have a Board willing to write the check.
Mr. Moyer stated it is more than
that. We need an entity to maintain it
because the standards that we will maintain that to are not going to be
acceptable to the association. Our
maintenance criteria is to maintain for drainage integrity, not aesthetics. We don't want the canal bank falling into the
canal. That is our concern. With the root structure that is existing even
though it is ugly to look at, the canal bank is not in fact falling into the
canal which meets our criteria.
Mr. Weinberg asked what about the
fact that the City has a law that requires people to maintain their property in
the original condition?
Mr. Moyer responded I would argue
and probably Mr. Lyles has indicated that that is the original condition. It is nature and that is natural vegetation.
Mr. Weinberg stated we are at
opposite ends on that. Someone sprayed
that vegetation several times and that is probably why a lot of it is dead.
Mr. Craven stated on that subject, I
spoke with Mr. Dyess and he said that at one time that was planted to the
permitted specifications and the irrigation system was working and it was
sprayed by the District and that is why it is in the condition it is in
now.
Mr. Moyer stated we wouldn't spray
things if it didn't need to be sprayed.
I suspect it had not been maintained for a long period of time. I suspect when you go back and look at it,
these people contacted the District said it is overgrown and ugly and that we
probably did go in and spray it which is basically all we do with the canals
under our jurisdiction. It sounds to me
that if Mr. Craven and WCI are willing to remove what is there and you are
willing to plant whatever you want to plant, that the problem looks like it is
going away.
Mr. Weinberg stated two issues still
remain. One is the initial cost of the
grass, I think the District should be responsible for that. You didn't take title legally until 1993 or
1994 and the property was improved with the more costly homes there at that
point. In theory I could make the point
that it should be brought back to its natural state including the vegetation.
Mr. Moyer stated I understand WCI is
going to do that as well.
Mr. Weinberg stated I request that
WCI perform the clean-up, the District put up the cost of grass, we pay for the
incremental cost of the seagrape and as I understand it the maintenance
thereafter is non-existent.
Mr. Moyer stated you are going to
sign a release that says you never expect the District to come back in and
maintain that to any standard we are talking about.
Mr. Weinberg stated I suggest the
answer to that is limited in nature.
obviously, it can't be subject to you spraying it with defoliants. If there is any need to replant sections in
the future we will need access to fix those areas. I can't have any affirmative action by the
District on the property.
Mr. Lyles stated we want to ensure
that this release would obligate the District to perform no more than the
routine maintenance it performs in other areas throughout C.S.I.D. boundaries
where we have responsibility for drainage along canals and canal banks.
Mr. Weinberg stated I understand and
that is not unreasonable.
Mr. Brawer stated I have been
representing Eagle Trace, Georgetown and developments for over five years. Actually C.S.I.D. has done little if anything
in the nine years I have been living adjacent to that canal as far as
maintenance, upkeep, cleanliness, removing debris from that canal. As a resident if I had a wish list I would
want the dead vegetation removed, seagrapes and what other vegetation that
could be planted there to grow to a height so that the sight lines would be
mitigated. I would like it to be
green. I don't want it to be brown and
black and dirty and full of debris. How
it gets paid for I think Mr. Weinberg has come up with a nice solution. There are now three parties involved and
something can be worked out. We are not
talking about a great deal of money.
Mr. Weinberg stated we can get the
seagrape for $11,000. Some of the
vegetation is good vegetation. I think
someone needs to go in and selectively clean it up and take a look at it and
say this is where we are going to do the plantings. I don't even think it will be from one end to
the other. There are sections that are
in fairly good condition.
Mr. Fennell stated I see five
issues. One is maintainability. I didn't hear any solution to that. There is an access issue. You are maintaining the slope is not correct
and there is not a good way to get equipment in and there is an issue of
insurance liability. The fourth issue is
what it should look like. The difference
between a park, versus natural conditions.
The fifth issue is who is going to pay for this. There are costs that have already been paid
for these canals. Everybody in the
district whether they are on a canal or not, pays money for those canals. You may have paid additional money to live on
that canal but that money did not go for the canal. It went to the company that sold the land to
you. It did not pay for that canal. The maintenance of that canal is paid by
everybody in the District. The reason
the canal is there is for drainage. The
main reason for the District is to drain the land. That is my primary responsibility. My assessment is the same as your
assessment. The assessment is $80 and
there are 11,500 households each putting in that amount of money per year. We have replaced the pump stations, we repair
culverts. If we get a lot of rain the canal
levels go up and we can be in flood conditions without the pumps. Each and every one of us are paying for that
and there are 11,500 of us all paying as much as you although we don't actually
get to see the canals. I have to have a
fair balance between who is actually paying for this and what they are paying
for and what you are after.
Mr. Friedman the value of the
property and we pay taxes on that real estate and if that value is depreciated
because of your lack of maintenance and lack of keeping that area clean and
green, effects our taxes, then all of us in Broward County and all of us in
Coral Springs will pay less in tax for that area as this property value goes
down and all of us are contributing to that also. I want to know what you budgeted to maintain
that canal and clean that canal if anything.
Mr. Moyer stated let me address that
because I think you have a misunderstanding.
A special purpose district such as C.S.I.D. does not levy an ad valorem
tax. Ad valorem can be used for anything
the government wants to use it for, for the health, safety and welfare of its
citizens. We don't levy that type of
tax. We levy what is called a benefit
and maintenance assessment and it is uniform on 11,500 units. We levy $83 per year. It doesn't matter whether you have a million
dollar house or a one hundred thousand dollar house. Everybody pays the $83 per year. Its purpose is specific and it is not
aesthetics, it is to drain the lands within the District. That is why I am saying our charge as a
District and how we spend your tax money is different than taking money from
the general fund and spending them for any purpose that we deem to be nice to
spend for health, safety and welfare.
The city can spend monies for health, safety and welfare but we cannot
do that. That is the concern. If it cost $100,000 to do this canal, we open
ourselves up to somebody who lives in Ramblewood, not on a canal, coming to
this Board and saying you misappropriated my money. You took my money and spent it on a purpose
for which you are not legally authorized to spend that money.
Mr. Friedman stated you are
obligated by Coral Springs law to maintain that free of debris and everything
else. You are within the city limits of Coral Springs, it should be cleaned
and maintained.
Mr. Fennell stated my point is who
pays for this and there are 11,500 other people who are paying for this.
Mr. Friedman stated in a community
when you live in a taxing authority you share the risks. I may not call the ambulance this year but I
am going to pay my ambulance fee. There
are certain services provided to the community as a whole and I don't think
this is a service that this there to benefit the Eagle Trace community. I see this as the District owns a piece of
property and the District has an obligation to maintain it. In all fairness when I look at the surroundings
of this building they are beautifully maintained. Is that necessary for the drainage purposes
of the District?
Mr. Moyer responded no and they are
not maintained by drainage dollars. This
building and this plant site is a utility site that is maintained by utility
fees which are not restricted to showing a particular benefit to any given
property. That is the problem we have.
Mr. Friedman stated in any political
setting someone can argue did you go outside the scope of your authority. Did you put in a fountain that was not
necessary. The question here is that the
C.S.I.D. is a property owner and as a property owner it is bound by the minimum
laws created by the City and other governmental codes. This property is not being maintained.
Mr. Fennell stated there is an issue
of cost and who pays for it and the responsibility of individual people. That is a huge issue. It is not an issue for the other people who pay
for the drainage canals. I believe you
bought that land knowing it was on a canal and they probably raised the price
$20,000 for that property and the people who got that money was not the
District.
Mr. Weinberg stated those houses
sold not at a premium but a discount because they backed up to the
Sawgrass. WCI came in and improved the
existing landscaping because they felt it necessary. I am asking the District to recognize its
obligation and put it back to the original state with the assistance of the
association and WCI if we can get access from D.O.T. Going forward there is no maintenance, it is
self sufficient. I am told that by the
landscape architect for the City and everyone else I consulted with. I am asking the District to pay for the cost
of the grass, we pay for the incremental cost of the seagrapes and WCI pays the
clean-up.
Mr. Miller asked are you asking us
to pay for the grass?
Mr. Weinberg stated the cost of the
grass that would have had to be put in under city code.
Mr. Fennell asked what are we going
to do in the future when there are issues where the vegetation grows into the
canal? I believe your committee came
before this Board a few years ago and your association was going to take on the
cost.
Ms. Early stated I think this first
came up when the Sawgrass Authority sprayed through the fence and down onto the
slope. If it starts to grow through the
fence they spray. You are not going to
stop them from spraying.
Mr. Friedman stated we were going to
put seagrape from top to bottom.
Mr. Fennell asked what are you going
to do about them growing into the water and becoming a real danger to the
drainage system.
Mr. Friedman asked how much of a
buffer do you want from the water line to the first seagrape plant?
Mr. Moyer stated I would have to get
the information from a forester.
Ms. Early stated if the water rises
during the rainy season, that is where they are going to spray.
Mr. Weinberg stated through the
1990's everything existed with the improvements in place. For whatever reason they stopped maintaining
them or someone sprayed them.
Mr. Moyer stated we never maintained
it.
Mr. Craven stated my understanding
is that the maintenance obligation was going to be turned over to the
homeowners association but there is no documentation that that ever
happened. What was originally planted
was very low maintenance. The same
situation as the seagrape. It is
something planted that should be able to stay without much maintenance if any
because of the limited access. The only
way to access it now is from the water which is not an efficient way to
maintain the berm.
Mr. Fennell asked how are we going
to solve that?
Mr. Weinberg stated my suggestion is
to work with D.O.T. and get their approval for access so WCI can clean it up
and a contractor can be hired to do the planting with the appropriate insurance
and the cost of that contractor can be shared by the District and the
association.
Mr. Fennell asked what does the City
say to this process?
Ms. Fodderingham responded the City
through this process has been trying to facilitate to get the parties together
and come to some resolution. One of the
items in the past was that we needed to get an understanding of the
differentiation in the costs so we know the responsibility of the District
versus the homeowners association. We
now know that WCI still has an open permit and I think they need to be
responsible for adhering to the requirements of the permit. If we need to sit down with all the parties
to try to facilitate it we will but it is up to the District, the association
and WCI to come to a resolution that will be amenable to all parties.
Mr. Weinberg stated I was in a
meeting and was told that the City believes that the District is in violation
of the City code. I am asking if that is
the case.
Ms. Fodderingham responded that is
correct and is our last resort to cite the District for being in violation that
we want to try to come to some resolution.
Mr. Moyer stated I would proffer to
you that there are probably 3,000 properties in this City that are not in
accordance with the code. Under our
enabling legislation of what we are legally permitted to spend these peoples
monies on, I am willing to tell a judge that we don't have the grant of
authority to spend money on aesthetics.
We can only spend money on things that directly benefit the drainage
system.
Mr. Weinberg stated if that is the
case I will ask the District to recognize its responsibility to enforce the
permit against WCI or force the Sawgrass Expressway Authority to reconstruct
the berm. You can't sit here in a
neutral position.
Mr. Moyer stated when you look at
the cost of enforcing and taking legal action to enforce, the Board can make
the decision that the costs are excessive and will not benefit the District as
a District. I don't think we spend
$40,000 or $50,000 suing the Turnpike Authority to make them reconstruct
something knowing in all likelihood we are not going to prevail. The Board can show good judgment.
Mr. Fennell stated looking across at
this property, water is going to go up and down and in fact we need to spray
there and make sure that vegetation is not going to get in our pumps and that
is what we should be doing. You are
saying for some offset above that which we will call the high-water mark or
whatever our engineer's tells us is appropriate, at that point you would like
to see some kind of improvements. At
that point you are talking about funds from WCI or yourselves planting the
vegetation. There are issues of access,
insurance and maintenance ability. The
other issue as a representative of all of the taxpayers is the cost. I have 11,500 people who pay $80 per
year. There is a very limited amount of
what I would approve above our normal issues and anything over that I would
have to ask is the money being spent for the general good or for the benefit of
a few. There is a small amount of money
we are willing to come across with. We
certainly want to maintain the canal for everybody and I think if you are
willing to put the money in and WCI is willing to put the money in to what I
will call a natural state. You are not
going to get a parkland there, there is no way to do that. We want to be reasonable to all parties
concerned. We are looking for a way to
maintain the canal. We are looking for a
way for you to improve it. Under certain
conditions we can allow certain parties access to the land so improvements can
be made and we have done that before.
Mr. Miller asked does WCI have an
open permit?
Ms. Fodderingham responded from my
discussions with Ms. Archer, WCI has an open permit from the District to also
maintain that area.
Ms. Archer responded I see it two
different ways. We issued a permit to
WCI to install the landscaping and to maintain it. Two years after that we issued a permit to
the HOA to plant seagrape and maintain it.
They have never done anything under that permit but that is the most
current permit that is outstanding.
Under that permit we could in fact, let them go in and plant the
seagrape and do whatever maintenance or no maintenance as required under that
permit. WCI is willing to clear it so
that it can be planted.
Mr. Moyer stated it sounds like a
basis for a plan.
Mr. Fennell asked do you agree to
that?
Mr. Weinberg responded no. We made an application for one but we never
accepted the permit.
Ms. Archer stated we issued the
permit after they made the application.
There is usually not an acceptance by the applicant.
Mr. Fennell asked if you come and
ask for a permit and we give it, isn't that the same as acceptance?
Mr. Weinberg responded I disagree.
Mr. Fennell stated you can come and
ask for something, we can grant it but then you can decide you didn't really
have it.
Mr. Weinberg stated I am suggesting
that we never implemented the permit.
Mr. Fennell stated you may not have
done it but that doesn't mean that you didn't have it.
Mr. Weinberg stated I am asking the
Board to authorize Mr. Lyles and I to work together to come up with a
solution. That is all I am asking this
Board to do. I will take the responsibility
to work with WCI to get bids for the clean-up and get bids back to the Board on
cost of installation so we have some real numbers. I think if Mr. Lyles and I write a letter
together to the D.O.T. for access we will get it.
Mr. Lyles stated I think it should
be made clear that this request is coming from the City of Coral Springs as
well as us.
Ms. Fodderingham stated we can
assist in that effort.
Mr. Miller stated if the Sawgrass
Authority sprays the seagrape we can be back in the same situation.
On
MOTION by Mr. Fennell seconded by Mr. Miller with all in favor staff was
authorized to work with WCI, the homeowners association to come up with a plan
of what is to be maintained and by whom, solve the issues of insurance and
access, what the cost will be to the District and future maintenance
responsibility.
FIFTH
ORDER OF BUSINESS Consideration
of Award of Contract for Water Supply Wells 8, 9, 10 and 11
Ms. Early stated there is a bid
tabulation in your agenda package. Four
bids were received, the lowest base bid was received from Morgan General
Mechanical Group, Inc. with a total base bid amount of $1,425,270.00. The engineer's estimate for this work was
$1,163,630.00. We are recommending award
of the contract to Morgan General Mechanical.
Mr. Moyer asked did Mr. McKune say
why? Is it a bad estimate?
Ms. Early responded they based the
estimate on previous wells that we have done recently and they made phone calls
to different people and this is the number they came up with. He was surprised at the bids.
Ms. Archer asked do you think we
need to rebid it?
Ms. Early responded he didn't think
he would get better prices after he talked to them.
Mr. Miller asked do you have
experience with Morgan General?
Ms. Early responded I am not
familiar with them and I don't know if Mr. McKune is or not. He would have checked them out if he wasn't.
Mr. Moyer asked what is the time of
completion?
Ms. Early stated I will get that
information to you.
Mr. Fennell stated we first started
this when there was seepage from the dry cleaners.
Ms. Archer stated we started talking
about this then and we had to take that well down and then we had to refurbish
some other wells and if we can't use the existing wells all of the time, we
have a problem. We need to get them
under construction. They will be less
productive than our existing wells. We
recently had to take one of our wells down because we were getting some bad
tests back and we refurbished that one and we opened the interconnect with the
City when we did that because we were not able to pull enough water out of the
ground ourselves to meet the demand and we had no choice.
Mr. Moyer stated I don't think there
was a water quality issue other than the performance of the well.
Mr. Miller asked have we discussed
putting in these additional wells previously?
Ms. Archer responded yes, we have
been talking about them for a couple of years.
We were working on a location with the City.
Mr. Fennell asked do we have the
money for this contact?
Mr. Moyer responded the nice thing
about our financial structure is that we generally run a surplus of about $1
million per year. We talked about doing
these wells two years ago. On an annual
basis we self fund these types of projects.
The same thing with the wastewater plant. We thought we would be building the
wastewater plant 18 months ago. Again, we
have generated enough monies so that I can tell you yes, we do have funds to do
that.
Mr. Fennell asked are we clear on
our right to this water into perpetuity?
Mr. Moyer responded it all gets
permitted through S.F.W.M.D. and their consumptive use permits are for a period
of five years and you are always at risk with them.
Mr. Lyles stated that has been the
case to date and will continue to be the case of every utility authority under
the jurisdiction of S.F.W.M.D.
Mr. Moyer stated it is unreasonable
to think they would not issue a permit since everybody is depending on
this. This is not for new growth. At one time they were concerned about coming
in and trying to limit what you do for new growth. This is to provide water for existing users
and they would be hard pressed to say they are not gong to renew our
consumptive use permit.
Mr. Lyles stated permits are
evaluated and issued pursuant to a set of criteria. It is not a discretionary decision on the
part of the people on the Board or the Director of the S.F.W.M.D. If we meet the criteria and they are
basically engineering standards, then we have reached the point where we are
entitled to a permit or renewal of a permit.
Mr. Miller asked can we get by with
two additional wells as opposed to four?
Mr. Moyer stated I thought at one
time that is what we were talking about.
Ms. Archer stated I think the tests
show that they are less productive than our existing wells and it is because
they are smaller wells and we can't get as much water out of them as we would
have hoped. The ones we have on site are
a certain size that are much greater than the ones that are going to be
installed.
Mr. Moyer stated I will climb out on
a limb and recommend to you because there are some valid concerns and questions
that you have on this. I do not want to
wait the 30 days but I would rather have the answers to the questions that we
have all raised here than to spend $300,000 of the publics money just because
the bids came in and we want to rush to do something. We are anxious to do this but I don't think
30 days is going to put us in any worse shape than we are already in. I will ask to table this until we get the
answers.
SIXTH
ORDER OF BUSINESS Consideration
of Construction Financing Agreement for University Drive Subdivision 1
Mr. Moyer stated item six is to
finish University Drive subdivision 1 in which the proposal is that we go into
a contract with a developer to extend the lines in the subdivision in that
area. We thought we would have a
financing agreement back from that developer and we don't have it for this
meeting and we are asking to table this.
SEVENTH
ORDER OF BUSINESS Consideration of
Request for Irrigation Permits
A. Coral
Baptist Church
B. Lakeview
Professional Village
Mr. Moyer stated these are for
irrigation permits both of which are on Lakeview Drive in the western part of
the District, north of Atlantic Boulevard.
We usually don't issue irrigation permits but in the case of large
irrigation users we have done that in the past and the reason we do that is
that we have some ability to terminate their use of the water if we get into a
drought condition or if our canals start to dewater.
On
MOTION by Mr. Miller seconded by Mr. Fennell with all in favor the irrigation
permits for the Coral Baptist Church and Lakeview Professional Village were
approved subject to the conditions listed in the standard irrigation permit.
EIGHTH ORDER OF BUSINESS Staff Reports
A. Attorney
There
not being any, the next item followed.
B. Engineer
1. Monthly Water & Sewer Charts
2. Update on Construction
3. Discussion of MOMS Program
Ms.
Early asked to postpone the presentation on the MOMS program until you have a
full Board.
C. Superintendent - Questions and Comments on
Proposed General Fund Budget
Mr.
Moyer stated there is nothing required of the Board today. That will come back to you next month for a
public hearing.
D. Complaints
Ms. Archer stated Mr. Daly set up
the email system so that you receive everything he gets.
NINTH
ORDER OF BUSINESS Supervisor's
Requests and Audience Comments
There not being any, the next item
followed.
TENTH ORDER OF BUSINESS Approval of Invoices
On
MOTION by Mr. Miller seconded by Mr. Fennell with all in favor the invoices
were approved.
Karl Miller Robert
Fennell
Vice President President