MINUTES OF MEETING
CORAL SPRINGS
IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT
The regular meeting of the Board of
Supervisors of the Coral Springs Improvement District was held Monday, May 15,
2000 at 4:05 P.M. in the District Office, 10300 N. W. 11 Manor, Coral Springs,
Florida.
Present and constituting a quorum
were:
Robert D. Fennell President
Karl Miller Vice President
Clint Churchill Secretary
Also present were:
Rhonda K. Archer Treasurer
Dennis Lyles Attorney
Donna Holiday Recording Secretary
John McKune Gee & Jenson
Roger Moore Engineer
Roy Gold Resident
FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS Roll Call
Mr. Fennell called the meeting to
order at 4:05 P.M. and Mr. Moyer called the roll and stated that all Board
members were present.
SECOND
ORDER OF BUSINESS Approval of the
Minutes of the April 17, 2000 Meeting
Mr. Fennel stated that each Board
member had received a copy of the minutes of the April 17, 2000 meeting and
requested any additions, corrections or deletions.
There not being any,
On
MOTION by Mr. Miller seconded by Mr. Churchill with all in favor the minutes of
the April 17, 2000 meeting were approved as submitted.
Mr. Gold stated I am here today as
the site coordinator for Broward Waterway and Cleanup. I have been the site coordinator for Coral
Springs for the last five years. I was
at a reception they had recently and they wanted me to give a plaque of honor
to the Coral Springs Improvement District for the help you have given the
Waterway Cleanup and my site specifically over the last five years. For the last five years, crews have
participated with boats and staff to really make a difference in the water
quality and I appreciate that. Nick
Schooley has been especially instrumental by being at our meetings and being
very helpful. I have copies of an article
that appeared in which they mention the Water District by name. I appreciate the manpower and the funding
that you have given, and Marine Industries Association of South Florida
appreciates the work we do. This is one
of the few sites in the western area, and it has been my pleasure to be leading
in this clean up. They gave me the C-14
canal, but that is not enough. We went
to every school, 13 schools that have water, 23 parks, over 50 sites in total,
with 225 volunteers this year, which is the largest number of volunteers we
have ever had for the waterway cleanup for our site. It is one of the largest sites, and we also won for the most
unusual garbage, which is kind of unique.
I will give you the plaque on that note. Thank you very much for your assistance. Someone brought in a wooden schooner replica
with masts and sails and there was a little houseboat on the boat, and within
the houseboat was a family of crickets chirping. They brought that after I had closed the site down, and I said,
"This really seems unusual. I am
going to have to take this down to headquarters." I took it in, and they said, "That is a
really neat ship. Maybe that will win
for most unusual garbage." Two
minutes later, the crickets started, and they asked, "What is that
noise?" You could literally look
in the little houseboat windows and you could see the crickets, so that was a
winner. It is the second time in five
years we have won for the most unusual garbage. It is a great event, we have a tremendous turnout, and the City
helps us as well. I don't want to take
up too much of your time, but I really wanted to be here today to thank you as
a Board. I appreciate the opportunity
to be here and to thank you personally.
Mr. Fennell asked Mr. Gold, how many
tons of garbage do you get out of the canals?
Mr. Gold responded the whole clean
up is 72 or 73 tons. We had a 40 cubic
yard dumpster for Coral Springs specifically, and we had people from the
Utility Department of Coral Springs, bring out one of the backhoes, and knock
the stuff down, because we fill it up with shopping carts, ping-pong tables,
bowling balls, we have pulled motorcycles out, furniture, couches, everything
that you could think of that someone would be foolish enough to throw away in
the water, they have done it, but we are pretty happy with the results, because
we have had a lot of volunteers.
Mr. Churchill asked how do you take
all of it out? Do you have tow lines
that you are dragging garbage up with?
Mr. Gold responded we actually have
enough volunteers. We have a map of the
city, and we pinpoint where we are going to send them. Then, if they happen to fill up their bags
with garbage right at the site, they have no way to transport it back. They call us and Public Works has a truck
that has been going around the city, picking up the garbage and bringing it
back to us to fill up the dumpster. We
have had real good luck with people.
They want to contribute their time, it does make a difference. I don't get to go out and clean up myself anymore,
I am the leader, just like you don't go out and turn on the water. The good news is, it makes a
difference. Three years ago, we pulled
a Chevy Blazer out of the canal, we have pulled out motorcycles, we have pulled
out go carts, a lot of bad things, cans of propane gas, batteries from cars.
Mr. Moyer stated Mr. Gold has done a
wonderful job in spearheading that. I
remember when he called me and I actually thought it was more than five years
ago. It seems like he has been doing
this longer than five years, but he takes this to heart. The thing that is frustrating, from my
perspective, is that Mr. Gold will be back here every year telling you the same
stories, about the same stuff that goes into the canals every single year, the
couches will be back next year, the shopping carts in abundance will be back,
and that is really the frustration of this job. Mr. Gold deserves a lot of credit, because he does take this very
seriously, and he does a great job.
Mr. Gold stated I will mention one
thing I have done on behalf of your District and myself as a resident of Coral
Springs. I wrote a letter to the City
Commission, I will send you a copy, requesting two pieces of action from them: one was that at construction sites of new
homes, if there is bordering water, that they surround it with fencing to
prevent the garbage blowing into the canals.
I have found from talking to people and to staff that this is a huge
problem. The other issue is behind
commercial sites, when they have their dumpsters. If they had a four foot high fence, that would stop most of the
stuff that blows into the canals, and prevents issues like that which are
ongoing and will never change. No
matter what you do, when people put the garbage in those dumpsters, things will
blow out of there, but when you put a fence up, it will stop a lot of it. I asked them in a letter forum, because I
want to affect public policy, and I felt it would be better than me going up
there. I speak in front of the
Commission often, so I am hoping that this quiet diplomacy will help all of
us.
Mr. Churchill stated there is
another issue involved with this, not directly with the canals maybe, but it is
very difficult in Coral Springs to get rid of toxic substances like paint, you
talked about the gas cans, or paint cleaner, or oil. You have to take it to a place off Powerline Road to the disposal
station that is only open on Saturdays, and I have a feeling that is why it is
ending up in our regular trash or in the canals, because it is a major effort to
dispose of it. There should be a
transfer station in Coral Springs.
Mr. Gold responded I think you are
right, and I think the City is the focus of money being spent. Home Depot moved out of Margate to Coral
Springs, and they told me, "Our store is dead now." It is right up here at Atlantic and
University. We really do generate and
use a lot of chemicals to improve our lawns, our houses, our cars. It may be beneficial, but there are so many
battles to fight, and I have done environmental things where I have saved
forested land in Coral Springs, and I have done this waterway cleanup and I
work in the educational field. The oil
is a problem, I agree. I do thank you
for your time.
THIRD ORDER OF BUSINESS Consideration
of Resolution 2000-1 Amending the 1999 Budget
Mr. Moyer stated we are spending
money improving Pump Stations, and basically what the amendment accomplishes is
to move moneys from unallocated reserves into the Operating Account so we can
continue the upgrade of the water pump systems. That is behind section three of your agenda. We are adding $195,170 to our Budget.
Ms. Archer stated the Board approved
replacing the pumps at Pump Stations One and Two at last month's Board meeting,
after we went through the first two pumps during the last hurricane season and
replaced those on a short-order emergency basis. We had some inspections done on the remaining pumps since they
were all about the same age. We were
looking at those pumps and determining whether we should concentrate on those
as well, and we found out that they are in as bad condition if not worse than
the two pumps that failed last year. We
did take bids and the Board authorized those bids and awarded those last month
along with the engineering related to that, and some minor changes that would
make the pumps last longer, like epoxy.
Based on the Board's actions last month, we needed to reallocate some
funds that we had set aside specifically for this purpose in our Sinking
Reserve Fund to pay for those.
Mr. Fennell asked since we are
talking about the funding, how are we doing with the pumps?
Mr. McKune responded they are in
manufacture right now and the first one should be ready for installation within
30 days. One minor change will be the
structural condition of the steel plate thimbles that go through the concrete
wall will have to be re-manufactured.
When the Contractor went in to make his measurements for his repairs, he
noticed that there was some damage, specifically below the water line. We are going to have to do some welding of
steel plate. I passed out estimates at
the last Board meeting indicating that the approximate additional cost of those
repairs would be $48,000.
Mr. Fennell stated I am losing track
of where we are overall on how much money we have and how much money we are
spending.
Ms. Archer asked specifically
related to pumps? We have two pump
stations. The two pumps we replaced
last year cost $70,000 each. This year,
we bid out and awarded five pumps, three of which are being replaced: one in Pump Station Number One, two in Pump
Station Number Two, plus a new pump in one and two. We had the extra bay in each pump station. We received a permit from S.F.W.M.D. to
allow us to put a pump in that bay, and even though we cannot run it
simultaneously with the other pumps, it will be a backup. That leaves one pump during next year's
Budget to be replaced in Pump Station Number Two, and that will give us four
brand new pumps and engines. They are
not brand new engines in all of them, but engines in the new ones in both pump
stations. This year, the two
replacement pumps which is pump and engine, totals $139,190, and that is where
I got the figure of approximately $70,000 each. The two spare pumps at Pump Stations One and Two are the $179,410
each. That is $314,952. Three more replacement pumps came to
$157,177. We have a change order
pending that Mr. McKune spoke about that totals approximately $48,000 if we
apply it to all of the pumps, so we are talking about spending about $520,129
between last year and this year with one more pump to go next year for
approximately $60,000.
Mr. Fennell asked how much do we
have in our Sinking Fund?
Ms. Archer responded enough. We have $619,000. I did an analysis for your Budget and I will get to that and run
that down when we get there. We will
use all of what we call the Renewal and Replacement Fund which is where we had
$619,000 and we will end up next year with the total of $221,000 still
remaining in our Engine Replacement Fund.
We will still have $221,000 in that and I am recommending that over a
period of the next 11 years, we build the Engine Replacement Fund up to the
amount needed to replace the engines that we replaced eight years ago. I have prepared a Long-Term Capital Outlay
Budget showing how that is going to work and how it affects our assessments
over the next 11 to 12 years to keep the assessments at a level that funds that
and in the final year we will have enough to replace those engines. There is enough in there to where if we lose
one at a time we can start replacing them, but they have been good for about 20
years in the past, and they are only about seven or eight years old now.
Mr. Fennell asked are there any
other questions?
Mr. Churchill asked are we allowed
two or three pumps at each station at a time?
Mr. Moyer responded three at 150,000
gallons each.
Mr. Churchill asked is that adequate
under any circumstances you can conceive of?
Mr. McKune responded I would think
so, yes.
Mr. Moyer stated you have to be
careful what you say in any circumstances.
It is adequate under the 100 year storm to keep everybody's house above
water. It is not for a 300 year storm.
Mr. McKune stated that is not
strictly a flooding problem that would be caused by pump inadequacy. Then you would start getting more into the
inadequacy of the entire system, street swales, drainage. The pumps themselves should handle it.
Mr. Fennell stated try to think of
it like a bathtub. You have so long
that you can fill it up, and the drain is so big that you can pull out, so they
have a timing schedule for that. There
are a lot of things that can go wrong.
You have stressed pumps sometime, or you don't have an accurate weather
forecast and suddenly this happens. I
think the last time was in 1979 and we got 11 inches of rain overnight. It was not even a hurricane.
Mr. Moyer stated it was just a
tropical depression that everyone predicted would bring nothing more than light
showers.
Mr. Churchill stated I was not
looking for guarantees, I was just trying to get a scenario in my mind.
Mr. Fennell asked Exhibit A is just
moving around money, is that correct?
Mr. Moyer responded the money comes
out of unallocated surplus, or what is shown there as Carry-Forward Surplus and
we move it to a specific line item called Repair and Replacement.
On
MOTION by Mr. Miller seconded by Mr. Churchill with all in favor Resolution
2000-1 "Resolution of the Board of Supervisors of the Coral Springs
Improvement District, Amending the General Fund Budget for Fiscal Year 1998-1999"
was approved.
Mr. Churchill stated I would like to
congratulate the management for having the foresight to adequately fund the
reserve that allows us to do this.
FOURTH ORDER OF BUSINESS Distribution of Proposed Budget
Mr. Moyer stated this starts a
process. We are not asking you to adopt
this Budget. We will schedule a future
meeting for having a public hearing on this Budget, at which time we can
discuss it further and not only adopt the budget, but we will also adopt the
non ad valorem assessment that will appear on the tax rolls. You will have two months to think about it,
to talk about it at your next meeting.
Ms. Archer will make a presentation to identify what happens given the
fact that we are going to start funding our Renewal And Replacement Account.
Ms. Archer stated I want to point
out that the assessments are projected to increase from $46.76 per unit to
$63.34 per unit, which is approximately a 35% increase, even though we are only
talking about $26. The reason for that
is because we have depleted the majority of the funds that we had set aside to
replace our pumps and we need to continue to set aside funds to replace our
engines in the future, and when I ran the schedule and looked at how many years
it has been since we replaced the engines, and their projected life, that does
cause us to increase the assessment to do that in a timely manner. In the past, we had Carry-Forward Surplus
Funds in the Budget of approximately $151,000.
We will only have $40,000 next year because we spent a lot of those
funds on the new pumps. That being the
case, the assessments have to go up. I think once we increase them to this
level, we will be looking at this level every year for the next 10 to 12 years,
but I think it is necessary for us to make the increase in order to have the
funds available like we did the last time to replace those engines.
Mr. Moyer stated this year we
anticipated having the $151,000 in Carry Forward Surplus that you don't have
shown, next year we only show $40,000.
When you look at the administrative costs, they are going up less than
five percent, and even on the field operations that we budgeted $460,000 last
year and we are estimating or asking for $519,000, so that is not a huge
increase.
Ms. Archer stated a lot of the
problem is because of the Carry Forward Surplus that we are not going to have
next year, that we had last year.
Mr. Churchill asked how often is
this $26 going to be assessed? Yearly
or monthly?
Ms. Archer responded yearly and it
will probably continue at that level from now on.
Mr. Moyer stated I think the
residents get a great deal for $4 a month.
That is what they have been paying for the maintenance of the canals and
to keep their houses dry and that is a pretty good value. That will go up from $4 to $6 per month.
Mr. Fennell stated we had reduced
this a couple of years ago by about 10 percent.
Ms. Archer responded yes, we
did. After we paid off the bonds, we
went through our canal program. In
hindsight, we probably should have kept it up and continued to build up these
funds for engines and pumps, and some work that needs to be done in bank
maintenance.
Mr. Churchill asked what is bank
maintenance?
Ms. Archer responded an example
would be where you have the out fall canals with Australian Pines growing along
them. They are getting so tall that
they can blow down during a hurricane and block the waterways. If we have Carry Forward Surplus Funds next
year, I am not going to ask you to reduce the assessments down from $63, I am
going to suggest putting any Carry Forward Surplus Funds into the bank
maintenance. I am looking at the $63
assessment for a long term.
Mr. Moyer stated my recollection is
that before we paid the Bond we had assessments of $85 per year, so this is
still substantially under what we have been paid prior to paying off the Bonds.
Mr. Fennell stated from general
practice we saved enough money so that we can buy the pumps without having a
Bond Issue, so that was good, but where we did have a problem was truly
understanding the state of the equipment.
We are going to have mainly new equipment from here on out, but there
has to be some other item that goes forward that gives us a really good view of
what the state of this equipment really is.
I know we had divers down there, but somehow we missed it. There is something we are not catching, and
this is not going to be just for my District, it is obviously going to be a
problem for numerous other Districts.
We are missing a preventive maintenance or diagnostic key. Since this equipment does not wear out very
often, it is pretty easy to get into a mode of, "Well, it was okay last
year, it is probably going to be okay this year, and 19 times out of 20 you are
right, except for the one year you suddenly have two out of three pumps fail at
a pump station.
Mr. Moyer stated in all the other
Districts, we have done exactly what we did with C.S.I.D. and that is, they
have built reserves for replacing those pumps, and I think you are to be
credited that at least on Pump Station Number Two, we are doing it before it is
necessary and we may have waited too long but we didn't know the useful life of
that either. Based upon the diver's
reports and everything else, the divers did not see the problem.
Mr. Fennell stated no, they did
not. I suspect the divers probably are
not trained to understand what they are looking at. That goes back to engineering.
There is a science called maintenance and failure rates, and when I
worked, we actually had people on staff in our Quality Department who did
nothing but just figure out when things were going to fail, what the failure
rate was going to be, how much we were actually going to have to pay to have
them repaired. When I did that for
electronics it was relatively new. The
mechanical part of it is well developed.
I am asking our Engineers to come back with a better inspection
procedure, not just for us, but one that we could recommend to our sister
Districts on how to investigate the pumps.
I suspect that it is going to have something to do with aging. There will probably have to be some kind of
functional test, actually opening it up once a year and measuring things you
can measure. It is not something that
unless you are skilled in that science you might recognize, but maybe we need
to bring in someone to do that. From my
own experience, there are no random failures for something that big. You have passed the critical parameters
statistically. This is beyond
maintenance, this is really a quality control function, and the problem is that
we are going to replace all this equipment, and we are not going to have any
significant problems for at least 10 years, maybe 15. But it will occur again, and somehow we have to build in to our
system of yearly inspections, just this sort of thing, looking at these things,
and it should not be based on age.
There should be a recommended procedure. I know we have a recommended procedure every year for getting
ready for the hurricane season. We need
one that goes along with that, that inspects all these things in a detailed
manner, and the inspection has got to be at a point that we can actually do
something about it.
Mr. McKune stated it has pretty much
been instituted now. Part of the new
procedure will involve pulling each new pump every five years for a detailed
inspection internally and externally to repair this new epoxy coating. At that time, when it goes to the shop, we
can require that they do weld inspections and other things that normally would
not be done, and as you indicate, probably the first two inspections will not
indicate failure is imminent, but they will indicate rates of decay, rates of
material loss, material thickness, and we will be able to forecast much better
the actual minimum rate of failure and schedule some dollars to be available to
replace them well before they are expected to fail.
Mr. Fennell stated a good point was
brought up about bank maintenance. We
need to take a little more scientific look at that. It should not be the accountants tipping us off to go look at the
trees. It should be the other way, but
they are right, the trees are growing bigger.
There was a fund set up for that, but from an engineering and
operational standpoint, we need to have some kind of decision making process
that says these trees get so big, we have so many trees, and a wind could come
by at 60 miles per hour and suddenly we have 50 trees in the water blocking the
canal. North Springs took some
action. We should have some reasonable
procedure ourselves.
Mr. Churchill stated I see
Australian Pines coming down along our canals.
Is that us or the landowner next to it?
Mr. Moyer responded that is the
issue you wrestle with. We have a City
Ordinance that requires the property owner to maintain that canal bank, and
that would include those trees. The
problem is, like gun control, nobody enforces that provision, so the trees get
to be 40 or 50 feet tall, then we have a hurricane and that is what the concern
is, how proactive do we become? The
other side of the equation is, you gentlemen are showing good business
judgment, good fiduciary judgment by saying, we know it is going to be a
problem, let us start taking out those trees.
The reality is if we did nothing and let them fall into the canal, the
Federal Government will pay to take out the trees. We have done that. We
have made application to FEMA, and we have been reimbursed from FEMA for trees
that have blown into the canals during major storm events. It is a question of how much of your
taxpayers' money do you spend in lieu of FEMA money from the Federal
Government? It is sort of a
tightrope.
Mr. Fennell asked are we just
deluding ourselves, that really a few trees in the water don't make any
difference, there is no real problem?
Where does the problem really occur?
This was an academic problem 20 years ago when I moved into the District
and the trees were 15 feet tall.
Mr. Churchill asked are you
operating on the assumption that the trees will block the flow of water to the
pump station?
Mr. Fennell stated if you get a tree
that big, and it goes into the pump station, even though we have got grates up,
or they could actually form a dam.
Mr. Moyer stated the right thing to
do is to set up the program, spend the tax dollars we need to spend now, and
when we see that we have an area that is critical, like just upstream of a pump
station for example, those trees should come out. Needless to say, the further you get away from that pump station,
the less critical those trees become.
Mr. Churchill stated I think the
first thing we need to find out is where we have the particular problem with
trees near main canals. I have seen a
lot come down around Taravella High School
Ms. Archer stated that was Sunshine.
Mr. Fennell stated that is not
actually our canal. That is a drainage
canal from north of us.
Mr. Moyer stated that does not take
your drainage. That is a Sunshine
Canal. They spent a quarter of a
million dollars to take down a mile and a quarter of trees. It is an expensive proposition.
Mr. Churchill stated we are just
talking about a couple of types of trees, that constitute a problem. There is Australian Pine, but I cannot think
of anything else.
Mr. Moyer responded people that
plant Ficus trees on the sides of the canal banks think that Ficus has very
deep roots, but the reality is that it is very shallow on the top of the ground
and they grow into huge trees and they get blown over.
Ms. Archer stated in Sunshine, the
rule was everything that was large enough to make it to the canal if it fell
over, came out.
Mr. Moyer stated I think what you
are suggesting is that we need to go back and inventory the problem areas that
we have, which are not as severe as what Sunshine has.
Mr. Fennell stated we need to take a
look at it. You may also come back and
say the smart thing to do is just stretch a big chain across and catch things
before they get to the pump.
Mr. Moyer stated each pump station
has a trash rack, so you are not going to ingest anything in the impellers in
theory. We don't need to do anything
with the budget at this time.
Ms. Archer stated we give it to you
60 days before the public hearing, and I also have to send it to the local
government authority 60 days before we adopt it.
Mr. Fennell asked what was your
Capital Expense Budget? What page was
that?
Ms. Archer responded around page 21
is where I start talking about the Engine Sinking Fund, and in order to replace
the engines last year at the two pump stations, how much money we have in
there, and I concluded with we need to budget $18,000 per year for the next 11
years, to total $416,000 required to replace all the engines.
On
MOTION by Mr. Churchill seconded by Mr. Miller with all in favor staff was
authorized to proceed to notice a public hearing to adopt the budget.
FIFTH
ORDER OF BUSINESS Discussion of
Water and Wastewater Rates Reduction
Mr.
Moyer stated Mr. McKune has provided a letter indicating that it may be
premature for the District to think of any major rate reductions, given the
infiltration problem that we recognized a month or two ago when we had a heavy
rainfall event. Rather than reducing
our rates, we should start placing those in a fund so we can do an infiltration
study and start lining the lines in Ramblewood and Ramblewood South and
Shadowood, which are clay, that were put in, in the early seventies.
Mr.
Fennell stated that is $3.75 million.
Mr.
Churchill asked is there anywhere in our system that would monitor flow from a
particular area? Do we know where the
excess is coming from?
Mr.
Moyer responded yes. We read the engine
times daily on each lift station and we know where the bad areas are. Given the number of houses, and the flow per
house, we know how long they are supposed to run and we know how long they are
running and it is a pretty good indicator.
Part of the problem I think we are going to encounter in this activity
is that we have infiltration that comes from our lines that have broken, but
each individual house has a line that runs from the lateral to the house and
each one of those lines is also subject to being broken, and each one will have
a sewer clean out cap, which in many cases vanishes over time, and they end up
getting a lot of infiltration, not from broken lines, but from broken sewer
caps on individual houses. We are going
to have to talk about a program on how to inspect for that and more
importantly, how to correct that, because technically that is private property,
that is the homeowner's responsibility.
Mr.
Churchill stated I live in a condo, and we have 32 units on one water meter. We cannot pin down where water waste is
coming from, except by removing those caps and see if water is flowing when no
one is home, so we have a procedure for monitoring that. But we know where our sewer caps are.
Mr.
Churchill stated on the section headed "Water and Wastewater
Systems", we have allocated $300,000 for this Station Data Acquisition
Telemetry Systems. What was that?
Mr.
McKune responded that is $300,000 per year for two years for a total of
$600,000. Mr. Moyer alluded to the way
we measure the production of an individual lift station by reading the time
meters manually and it takes one of our employees full time, just to drive
around and acquire this information.
This Lift Station Data Acquisition Telemetry System is called a SCATA
system. It is basically an electronic
set of components that can be installed at the lift stations that measure any
number of parameters of operation of the station, for instance the rate at
which the pumps are pumping, the level in the wet well, the pressure where you
may have an alarm condition. It inputs
it into the control panel, a radio system in the panel sends it remotely to a
central station near the plant. If the
central station requires of each of the lift stations out there, their
particular status and the operators here, without having someone drive around,
can immediately know the status of all the lift stations in C.S.I.D. and they
will know information on much more than the operating parameter that Mr. Moyer
mentioned which is the running time. It
is a great way to get information. You
can plot trends, and it will allow you to save money on preventive
maintenance.
Mr.
Moyer stated it also, with the right programming equipment, will permit you to
operate those lift stations in a fashion where it will somewhat flow equalize
into the plant. We talked about
building a surge tank or putting the money into this type of system. If we do both, we will have the best of all
worlds, you can control it coming into the plant, and if you have heavy flow,
you can still go to the surge tank.
Mr.
Churchill stated at $600,000 the question is not is it necessary or is it nice,
because we are doing without it now. It
appears to be a substantial amount of money in a two year period.
Mr.
McKune responded is it necessary?
Possibly not. Would it have
helped? Yes. Mr. Moyer indicated that we were somewhat surprised by the amount
of infiltration as a result of a recent heavy rainfall. If we had all of the data that this type of
system could have provided over the last five years, I think we would have been
able to see the trends in the rate of flows increasing at each of these
stations, and it is very helpful.
Mr.
Fennell stated you are talking about something that is about $15,000 per
station, which is pricey for a radio transmitter, and you are going to need
some kind of base station, and that will cost $25,000 to $30,000.
Mr.
McKune stated the radio itself is not a great expense. What is expensive is to bring the contractor
in who actually does the structural repairs at the station, to install those
measuring devices that get the information to the radio.
Mr.
Fennell asked given that we are going to have this really fancy $15,000 control
at each point, what are we going to do with it? You can radio live data in, but then what does it really allow
you to do? I know you said you can
decide when to turn the pump stations on or off. What is the size of each station?
Mr.
McKune responded it is relatively small.
These things are, on average six feet in diameter, and 20 feet
deep.
Mr.
Fennell asked do we have to go out and clean these things out every once in a
while?
Mr.
McKune responded oh yes.
Mr.
Churchill asked do we do that ourselves or do we hire a contractor?
Mr.
Moyer responded we do that ourselves.
Mr.
Fennell asked when do we do that? Every
year or two years?
Mr.
McKune responded it is a constant program, and there is a man here who spends
most of his time removing individual pumps and bringing them back to the shop,
repairing them, reworking them, and reinstalling them. It is an ongoing program.
Mr.
Fennell stated given that they have been out there 20 or 25 years, there will
come a point where we will have to replace all those.
Mr.
McKune stated they are being replaced.
Mr.
Fennell asked what do you do? Do you
put a new tank in?
Mr.
McKune responded the tank is concrete.
You do not replace those. You
replace the rotating mechanical parts.
Mr.
Fennell stated if you have this electronic system, maybe there is something
more you could be doing at these points, particularly involved with our odor
problem. I don't know if pre treatment
at these points would make it easier for things downstream, but that is the
first point at which you actually have access to the wastewater, and that could
make this plant's operation easier.
Mr.
McKune stated there are systems in place, which have been used with mixed
success.
Mr.
Fennell stated I think we are willing to spend money on anything that we can
prove in fact that has a cost-ratio benefit.
Mr.
Moore stated I have been trying to get this in several different areas. In many cases in the Weston area, we did the
exact same thing, the SCATA system has been bid and they are out probably about
six months away down there. One of the
things we always found was a problem in one of the staff who would visit the
station once a day. Every sewer spill
that we had to report to the agencies, usually occurred right after he visited
that day. It was interesting, we would
lose a phase and sewer would back up, and it would not be visited until an
alarm went off and somebody happened to notice and call the emergency
number. Somebody would hit something
during construction with a back hoe and it was because of the once a day type
thing. The other thing is, like in
water lines, you can monitor all kinds of data in a lift station, not just
necessarily sewer. With a small
pressure gauge, you can monitor the hydrostatic pressure for all of your water
lines. If you happened to have a water
break in the area, you would get an alarm here at the site with no manpower
involved. The information we will be
able to get from this system is going to increase the response time
tremendously to the public. I think we
will be able to get it a lot cheaper than $15,000. Hopefully we can put out a bid, or however you want to set this
up. There are a lot of good systems on
the market, and there have been quite a few proven throughout Broward County
and different areas. I think it is
something that is going to be very beneficial.
I am also hoping to put it together with some of the pumping
stations. For example, I spoke with
Nick, and this uses the same control system, so you divide the cost over more
units. For example, we will find out if
the pump is running, possibly the engine temperature, if the pump has sucked
something up and the engine has quit running.
That can set off an alarm or beep someone on call at that particular
point in time. This may save a
tremendous amount of manpower of people going out and checking things, because
if there are three or four different Districts, running about eight to ten
different pump stations, this monitoring device will allow us to monitor almost
everything right at a desk or by a phone call or just a beeper. If the pump shuts down, he can right away
get it turned back on. At the last
rain, if we had this telemetry system in, we could have turned all the pump
stations off here instead of sending guys out in the field to turn them
off. If we have 45 stations, and we
need to turn six or seven of them off to decrease the flow while we try to
adjust it here, the surge tank is high, we could actually do it by flipping a
switch right here in the plant, instead of sending people out to turn them off
manually and then turning them back on here to adjust the flow.
Mr.
Churchill stated that is the information we need to have to justify this. My concern was that two meetings ago, we
were talking about reducing rates, and at this meeting, we are talking about
not only not reducing rates, but increasing them by the amount of the
assessment, and then you see $600,000 with no back up and we need that back up
information to justify this, and it has to be real. With this pendulum swinging entirely the other way, which tends
to happen when you start talking about rate reduction, there is always a reason
not to do it.
Mr.
Fennell stated if we are only collecting data twice a day, that would probably
be a hard sell. On the other hand, I
think that what you just told me, when that red light goes off on those things
it means something is wrong, and if nobody notices it, that thing fills up and
over spills. Now you are talking about
something significant, which is an alarm system that tells us when a local
overflow or a flood occurs on a street, and if we are only checking for that
once a day, now you have essentially an operational feature that is important
to all of us. I have seen some of those
red lights, but I did not know what they meant, but yet it probably means the
pump is bad or something.
Mr.
Moyer stated there is a high water marker on these tanks, and that is when the
light comes on. It can happen when
there is nothing wrong with the pumps, but if we get a heavy rainfall, the
inflow into that tank can cause the light to come on.
Mr.
Fennell asked do the pumps go on and off automatically?
Mr.
Miller asked how often has that been a problem in the past?
Mr.
Moyer responded it happens to every utility, clearly, so I am not going to tell
you it is not a problem, but I do not remember reports coming back from the
field that it has been a major problem in this District.
Mr.
Fennell stated their issue was that during a heavy rain, some areas had more
infiltration than others, so that the water lines were getting more than they
could handle, but by balancing the pumps they could have equalized it.
Mr.
Churchill stated that is an excellent reason to do this. That is all I personally need to know.
Mr.
Fennell stated that is the operational reason it makes us more efficient,
especially if we are encountering different problems as we hit build out here,
which is getting close to capacity of the systems. Those are the kinds of things that will win our hearts; greater
operational cases, knocking down alarms, knocking down odors, but we have to
clearly see the justification other than just the greater operational
efficiency. This is exactly what I
would really like to see us doing, anticipating ideas and problems beforehand
and looking before a situation hits us and how we can go after it. My conclusion is that at this point, until
we get further along as far as the waste and wastewater systems on making
improvements to the systems, we are going to have to do this, but it also tells
me that the proposal we had at one time to essentially buy out the group, at an
essentially nominal or no replacement of systems was unrealistic and could have
been a near disaster for us if we had actually done that. As proposed, at least by the bankers that
came in, we would have gotten all this money, and we could have distributed it
to the people, but six months or a year later, we find ourselves having to
replace major systems and we would have had to double or increase significantly
the taxes, so that soft money that is supposedly there to be garnered, is not
really there. When they talk about
operational efficiencies, but to be honest, they were bankers. Their operational efficiency is saying,
"Mr. Moyer, we want this amount of money per year. You do it, we don't care." I don't think that actually works. It also makes us appear not to be the gem of
value that we had appeared to be at first.
The fact is that we have a 20 to 25 year old system, we are essentially
having to rebuild substantial parts of it.
It really does require a local Board to be sensitive to these needs, and
not trade this off for something else.
My conclusion out of this is that we are better off being a local Board,
if we can actually fund this ourselves, doing it and we probably don't really
have anything I can see as being beneficial to a larger group.
Mr.
Moyer stated keep in mind that part of that discussion was based upon the
legislation out there which may end up coming back again next year, but we will
just play that out and see what happens at that point in time.
Mr.
Fennell stated yes, but what it looks like to me is that we have a 25 year old
system that needs to be rebuilt.
Mr.
Moyer stated it is not worth any further discussion, and I agree with your
conclusion.
Mr.
Miller stated it brings up what I have brought up before, with all due respect
to our current Engineering firm, we spend large sums of money without second
opinions. It appears to me that it
might be something to look at to have an independent engineering firm come in
and just do an overview before we launch into some of these things. Even if it costs $15,000, based on the
amount we are being asked to spend, sometimes I think that objectivity or that
independence might be a good thing to have.
Mr.
Fennell stated you have a point. I
think what was missing for a number of years was long-term capital
planning. The reason it was missing is
because we were in that lovely period where you have built the system, and
nothing else needs to be built for another 10 or 15 years, and it is an
operational system, but you are no longer in the capital planning stage, you no
longer are in the stage where you have to have replacements. There was a lull. Maybe we lulled ourselves into complacency.
Mr.
Churchill asked do we need to do anything with this in terms of motion?
Mr.
Fennell responded no, I just think that it should all be made part of the
record. Do we have to get back to
anybody, the one bank group, or the City?
This is a classic case of A versus B.
Proposal A would have put us in a position where frankly, I don't know
that we would have been able to respond in the same kind of capital thinking,
although the money they were going to give us would have had to have been paid
for with Bonds.
Mr.
Moyer responded yes, they would have kept your rates where they were, at the
$45 level currently, and then you would have had a pool of money that they
estimated at $11 or $12 million and we could have used some of that for this.
Mr.
Fennell stated now we are essentially saving ourselves the fees on those Bonds
by financing this ourselves.
Mr.
Moyer responded that is correct, and the issue becomes ripe again in 2003 or
2004 or 2005 when we get out there and we implement most of that program.
Mr.
Fennell stated the other issue would have been, if the Board had changed, could
we have responded as quickly as we have to the needs as we have seen them come
up. I don't know if that would have
occurred. From what I know about
management and response times of the systems, the response time would have been
cut by at least four X, and I don't think we would have been able to
respond. The conclusion I come to is
that we should strive to keep the group as it is, try to keep local
control. The only time I can see us
doing anything is if there is substantial case where we could get a better deal
processing water or something of that sort, but from what I saw of Coral
Springs itself, it pays higher to process its wastewater than we do and there
is a 10 percent add-on fee for the wastewater and water system which just goes
to other points in the city. I got that
from reading the Budget.
SIXTH ORDER OF BUSINESS Staff Reports
A. Attorney
Mr.
Lyles stated the 23 homeowners who live next door to this plant, who were suing
their original home builder, Centex Rooney for a number of years, I think you
are all familiar with that litigation and we were involved in that, merely as
potential witnesses and as record keepers for certain things, at least in the
past. Apparently they have reached a
settlement. Centex has agreed to pay
them a sum of money, the amount of which we do not know at this point, in
return for which, they are all assigning their individual causes of action to
Centex to bring against this District.
We have now been notified under the Statute for suing government agencies,
that Centex intends to sue us for the damages and for the attorney's fees
represented by all of those claims for whatever amounts Centex has paid, and
moreover, there are eight additional property owners who were not part of the
original litigation with the 23 present and former homeowners who also have
assigned their claims, undoubtedly for some sort of payment or fee from Centex,
so they are going to be coming after us on behalf of those eight homeowners as
well. They maintain that our violations
processed by Broward County Department of Natural Resource Protection at the
time are evidence of negligence on our part, that we emanated odors from this
plant that were prohibited by the Broward County Code and you may recall all
the facts and circumstances surrounding that, and they have initially offered
to resolve all these claims in the amount of $1.6 million, which is less than
what they will demonstrate has been paid.
We just received this at the beginning of the month. We turned in the manager's office this
entire matter over to our insurance carrier for an evaluation. Under Florida law, a District such as this
one has six months to evaluate such a claim to make a decision as to whether or
not it wants to try to negotiate the claim, settle the claim, fight the claim,
or some other alternative. We will work
with the insurance carrier and hope that they will do their own analysis of
what the exposure is and what the coverage issues are and come back to the
Board. I really don't want to give a lot
of information about the matter at this very early stage, partly because we
don't have all the information, and partly because as you know, the records of
these meetings are all public records, and if we get into litigation, I prefer
that we have discussions regarding the issues and strategies in a closed door
session, which we would be entitled to do.
Of course, naturally, any of you who would like an individual briefing
or a question and answer period, especially Mr. Churchill who was not on the
Board at the time all this was going on back in 1996 and early 1997, that is
perfectly acceptable. I wanted to make
you aware that we have received formal written notice of this claim from Centex
through its attorneys, we have turned it over to our insurance carrier, who
will closely monitor everything that is happening.
Mr.
Fennell asked did Centex make this agreement or was it a Court agreement, or
exactly what happened?
Mr.
Lyles responded we don't know yet, and they don't have to tell us, but I
suspect that they reached some sort of settlement with these homeowners in
return for which the claims were assigned to Centex. The original suit against Centex was primarily based upon the
fact that Centex and its agents fraudulently misrepresented the nature of this
facility. They said it was a water
plant, but did not mention that it was also a wastewater plant, or omitted it
entirely, or engaged in a conspiracy with other entities, such as title
companies to conceal all of this from prospective homeowners, and in fact, when
asked questions about it, lied about it.
That was the original lawsuit.
As part of the original lawsuit, homeowners made claims along these
lines, "because of the fumes and the noxious odors from the plant, I have
suffered headaches, I have suffered nausea, I have suffered emotional distress,
my property is worth less, I cannot sleep at night, I am worried about the
effect in the future of the settlement ponds at the facility that were
discontinued a long time ago on my children", they made those sorts of
claims against Centex to bolster their claim that this was a serious
misrepresentation on Centex's part. Now
what has happened is that they have, in effect, joined forces to come after us
for all of the money involved in this.
Mr.
Fennell asked they were supposed to pay the people money, but did they keep the
people's money and use it against us?
Mr.
Lyles responded I think they probably agreed to pay the people some of the
money in return for which the people said, "I am assigning you my claims
against C.S.I.D. Centex, you and your
attorneys go and pursue it." That
is in addition to the third party claim that Centex would have based upon it
paying out money to these claims for what they claim is the District's
negligence and failure to comply with Broward County Codes.
Mr.
Churchill stated we will await developments on it.
Mr.
Lyles stated I think we needed to turn it over to our insurance carrier for
them to handle it on behalf of the District, and the initial demand as I said
is for $1.6 million. We will pay very
close attention to this and keep you apprised.
B. Engineer
1. Monthly Water & Sewer Charts
Mr.
McKune stated as you know, some years ago we had an arrangement with Zyme-Tech
to provide the initial odor control system that has been chugging away out
there on all these plants. There was
subsequently some problem or two with Zyme-Tech. I believe Zyme-Tech has gone out of business, is that correct?
Mr.
Lyles responded they have gone into bankruptcy.
Mr.
Fennell asked didn't we end up paying them some kind of settlement?
Mr.
Lyles responded actually we did not pay them a settlement. During the term of the agreement with
Zyme-Tech to purchase the chemicals from them, our plant operator decided to
solicit quotes for a lower price to try to save money from another
supplier. That was a violation of our
terms of purchase agreement with Zyme-Tech.
We quantified how much he bought elsewhere and figured out how many
gallons of product to buy from Zyme-Tech to make them whole and we extended the
term of the contract past its original expiration date and bought that
increment of chemicals from Zyme-Tech that we would have purchased prior to the
contract expiration to make them whole.
So we actually did not pay them a settlement of any money, we just
bought chemicals from them in accordance with the contract that we had.
Mr.
Churchill asked is this a proposal to switch suppliers?
Mr.
McKune responded not really. At the
present time there is an organization by the name of Personal Support Services,
which is supplying the current chemical at a competitive rate, who is familiar
with this equipment and who, upon occasion will repair the equipment when it
stops running. It is not equipment that
he provided and the original maintenance that Zyme-Tech was to have performed
has not been performed on their equipment and there are a lot of components out
there, fans, blowers, diffusers, etc. that are not operating up to
specification. This particular system
that exists today is not the most efficient system that you can now get. It was state-of-the-art at the time. There is a system that could be provided
now, that would replace those inoperative portions of the current system for
the capital cost, the installed cost as indicated in this summary letter. I have included the brief, one page proposal
from Personal Support Services to provide these services to each of those main
subsystems at the plant. You can see
that the average cost is a little over $2,000 per location, and if we include not
only the four locations at the Wastewater Plant, but also the fifth one, which
is the Water Treatment Unit, it would be $2,500.40. You can see that the total cost of installing the new system
would be $11,060. This system would
represent a pressurized system with new small diameter pressurized piping going
to all of the discharge points, with a fogging type of nozzle located around
the odor generation areas, much more effective smaller aerosol mist
disbursement system, without trying to rely on a large diameter perforated pipe
to transfer this solution around these tanks.
It is a much more efficient system.
This particular individual can give us the best price, but that is just
the opinion of myself and staff. This
system can certainly be put out to bid, but I do not believe we would save any
money on it, as this summary indicates, and my recommendation and also the
recommendation of staff is that we keep this as our sole source item and
proceed with this particular upgrade.
This is something that could be accomplished fairly rapidly as most of
the items of equipment are off the shelf.
Mr.
Fennell asked how soon could you have it in?
Mr.
McKune responded within 30 days.
Mr.
Miller asked how long ago did we put Zyme-Tech equipment out there?
Mr.
Moyer responded 1996 or 1997.
Mr.
Miller asked what was the expected life span of that equipment? I presume it was more than four years.
Mr.
McKune responded normally with equipment like that, you would be lucky to get
10 years, if you maintain it.
Mr.
Moyer stated it is a very corrosive environment.
Mr.
McKune stated that would involve replacement, as needed of some of the various
component parts.
Mr.
Fennell asked does this replace the entire Zyme-Tech system?
Mr.
McKune responded it replaces their major mechanical components, yes.
Mr.
Fennell asked is it built on something that was already in there? Because I know that Zyme-Tech system was
originally much more than this. It was
$100,000 or $200,000, I thought.
Mr.
Churchill asked to what level will this return the system?
Mr.
McKune responded it will be as effective if not more so than Zyme-Tech's
original system.
Mr.
Churchill asked will it bring it back up to an anticipated life of 10 years?
Mr.
McKune responded yes, if the system is subsequently maintained.
Mr.
Fennell asked do we have the capability of maintaining it ourselves?
Mr.
McKune responded you do if you have the right personnel, and if they are
familiar with the equipment, but part of the price is the trade-off on
equipment maintenance versus cost of chemical per gallon basis. It is like any other contract, it is hard to
separate.
Mr.
Fennell stated $11,000 is not too much, but it looks like we are tied into
Personal Support Services, who provides us preventative maintenance, and
therefore we are also buying their chemicals.
Mr.
McKune responded there is no time period where you are locked in to buy the
chemicals.
Mr.
Fennell stated before we boxed ourselves into a buying contract with Zyme-Tech,
we are tying ourselves into a service that requires some kind of trained
personnel to do, so we no longer have the personnel, and Personal Support
Services comes in and they do it. That
is smart business on their part, but it also tends to tie us in to one person
for chemicals.
Mr.
McKune this equipment is not that complicated.
It will not preclude us from taking the system over.
Mr.
Fennell asked who are we currently buying the chemicals from?
Mr.
McKune responded from this gentleman, so it would be a continuation of a
product we are currently using, in a more efficient system.
Mr.
Moyer stated the risk you always run with these types of operations is that
there is no guarantee that this company is not going to go out of business in
two years, either. These are small
supply companies.
Mr.
Churchill stated unless I am missing something there is little downside on
this. It looks like this $11,000 on a
10 year life of the original equipment constitutes normal maintenance, so I
don't see a downside. We are going to
buy the supplies from somebody, and we are not tied in to these people, we can
switch suppliers any time we want.
Mr.
McKune responded that is correct. If he
leaves town, we can buy odor control chemical from whomever we like.
Mr.
Fennell stated I was giving the negative point, but the positive spin on
something like that we have a supplier working hand in hand with us on
improving the system. He is
guaranteeing himself, but he is becoming more useful by doing it.
Mr.
Miller asked is the system still operating at an acceptable level? It may not be at the level that it was when
it was initially put in, but is it still operational?
Mr.
Moyer responded yes.
Mr.
Fennell asked we don't always use it, though, or are we using it now?
Mr.
McKune responded we do not always use it at the water plant side, but we do
always use it in the higher odor generation areas.
Mr.
Churchill asked did we have anything in the water treatment side before?
Mr.
McKune responded it was installed but it did not work that long. It does not need to be run constantly at the
water plant. That is left up to
operator's judgment based on wind direction, humidity levels, and other
factors.
Mr.
Fennell asked do we still have the other system that injects the chemicals into
it before it gets in to the surge tank?
Mr.
McKune responded the odor floss did not seem to do that much and that was also
a very expensive chemicals supply system.
We have stopped using that, and we have not noticed any increase in
odor. It does save the generation of a
lot of additional solids. That is one
thing the odor floss does, causes the production of additional solids, which is
an expensive proposition to handle.
Mr.
Fennell stated my own opinion is that it has always been our goal to stay ahead
of the game as far as preventing odors in any way we can. I would think that we would have a system
where we could even go back to the odor floss system or this system or both on
a quick response. I think it is very
important that we stay proactive and do the best job we can on this odor issue.
Mr.
Moyer stated Mr. Lyles brings up a good point, and that is that this does not
appear to be an emergency since we are using the Zyme-Tech system currently
with a chemical. The limit under the
Statute is $4,000/$5,000/$4,000. It
really is not a sole source, nor would it be an emergency situation.
Mr.
McKune stated I consider it to be sole source, when I factor in the cost.
Mr.
Lyles stated those are mutually exclusive ideas, sole source has no regard to
cost. I realize it is a relatively
small amount of money. I was
struggling, sitting here looking at your back-up materials trying to carve out
the capital. We are already in an
agreement with these people. They are
providing us with chemicals, and a certain amount of maintenance from time to
time, or is it just chemicals?
Mr.
McKune responded just chemicals.
Mr.
Lyles stated probably the more expensive part of what they provide is the
chemicals, but we have a modification to our combined plant system, that totals
over $11,000, so I think that unfortunately, under the Special Act that the
District operates under, it has to be bid.
If you put two notices out and it won't slow it down to a significant
extent, but I also. having just given you the report that I gave you about this
entire issue, would feel better if we did it that way.
Mr.
Fennell stated let's examine the urgency of the situation some more. First of all, if this were January I think I
would agree, but frankly, we did not really have a spring. The temperatures are already 85 to 90
degrees. We know from the customer's
standpoint that a lot of our conditions occur during this time of year. It is mid-May, soon to be June. Frankly, the longest day of the year is just
a month away. By the time we go through
this process, bid it out and get it done, that could be 90 days. That could very easily be September. If we could bid the process and have the
work done in a month, I would agree that the time frame is fine, but if it is
going to take three months, then I think we are in an emergency condition. We need to keep this equipment in prime
condition during the summer.
Mr.
Churchill stated there is no work to be done, I think is the point.
Mr.
Fennell stated there is the maintenance that has to be done.
Mr.
Churchill stated I assumed by looking at this that what needed to be done was
mainly maintenance work. The Zyme-Tech
system that we have is currently working, is that correct? It is not down.
Mr.
McKune responded it is working. It is
not working very effectively. This
system, if we were to install it, would replace all the piping, which is a
considerable amount of effort, and it would also replace the fans.
Mr.
Churchill stated what I am approaching is whether this is indeed an emergency
or not.
Mr.
Fennell stated the effectiveness that we are at now, versus the effectiveness
that you are going to go to, you will to have to express that to us in a
percentage. Are we at 30 percent
effectiveness now, or are we at 40 percent and we are going to go to 90
percent?
Mr.
McKune responded I would say that we are going to double the effectiveness.
Mr.
Fennell stated that means we are less than 50 percent effective.
Mr.
McKune stated the system at the water plant is not working at all.
Mr.
Lyles stated for the record, I don't think the Engineer agreed that we are only
50 percent effective. We are within the
range of acceptable and normal for purposes of the regulations that we operate
under. What the Engineer is coming to
you with is a proposal to go above those requirements and it will, in effect,
be over 100 percent. We will more than
double our effectiveness. We are, right
now, within the law, within the regulations set forth by Broward County
Department of Planning and Environmental Protection, which is the successor
agency to the D.N.R.P. We are operating
effectively and the plant is running properly.
We see an opportunity to improve on that with new technology that was
not available to us three or four years ago when we authorized the purchase of
the Zyme-Tech system.
Mr.
Fennell stated in that case, I think we should go ahead and do this right now.
Mr.
Churchill stated I don't know if your statement is as I heard it. We are not talking about improving beyond
Zyme-Tech's system. We are talking
about bringing the Zyme-Tech system up to snuff.
Mr.
Lyles stated we are going beyond the Zyme-Tech system.
Mr.
Fennell stated I think we need to do this.
I know we are meeting Federal Standards and all that, but I believe we
should be doing everything possible as soon as we can for the benefit of the
people around us.
Mr.
Lyles stated you will get no quarrel from the staff on that.
Mr.
Fennell stated I think it is important that we do that.
Mr.
Churchill stated my opinion is that we have to take Counsel's suggestion under
serious debate. Is it in violation of
our call?
Mr.
Fennell stated your call is whether or not it is important enough as an
emergency to get this thing up and running.
Mr.
Churchill stated if it wasn't an emergency yesterday, it is not an emergency
today.
Mr.
Moyer asked Mr. Lyles, can we delegate and award to the Chairman under certain
parameters, such that if we bid this and it comes in under $15,000, that staff
or the Chairman can award the contract like a Delegated Bond, based on the
Engineer's recommendation? Then we can
get it out into the newspaper Wednesday of this week, put it out for two weeks,
get it back in three weeks and we are done with it.
Mr.
Lyles stated we are only talking about a short period of time to get the bids
out and get the responses back. I don't
know that you can bid it. How long do
you intend to give people to respond to notice of bids that you put out?
Mr.
McKune stated the minimum time is generally two weeks.
Mr.
Lyles stated it takes two weeks to do it, and it takes two weeks to get the
bids, so at your next meeting you would be ready to sign a contract to do
business and no questions can be raised as to whether you followed the Act. I don't really think it can be done any
quicker than that anyway.
Mr.
McKune stated then it will be touch and go to make it go that quickly, for the
simple reason that if you bid the system, I have to be able to give them
something to bid on. We have no
drawings, we have no specifications for the system, because we have simply been
working with the current technician, so it is going to take me more than
between now and Wednesday to get all this ready.
Mr. Moyer stated I would suggest that because there are a variety of systems I think if you simply put out a request for bid for proposals to analyze the C.S.I.D. system and to provide a cost to upgrade the system. I understand that it is not very specific, but then you let companies come out and look at it, and maybe have a mandatory pre-bid meeting for a week or 10 days from now. Have them come out and meet with them, say, "Here is what we h