MINUTES OF MEETING
CORAL SPRINGS
IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT
The regular meeting of the Board of
Supervisors of the Coral Springs Improvement District was held on Monday, April
15, 2002 at 4:00 p.m. in the District Office, 10300 N. W. 11 Manor, Coral
Springs, Florida.
Present and constituting a quorum
were:
Robert D. Fennell President
Clinton Churchill Secretary
Karl Miller Supervisor
Also present were:
Gary L. Moyer Superintendent
Rhonda K. Archer Finance Director
Dennis Lyles District Attorney
Donna Holiday Recording Secretary
John McKune Gee & Jenson
Roger Moore Engineer
Thomas McCormick CH2M Hill
James Dyak CH2M Hill
FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS Roll Call
Mr. Moyer called the meeting to
order at 4:00 p.m. and called the roll.
SECOND
ORDER OF BUSINESS Approval of the Minutes
of the March 18, 2002 Meeting
Mr. Fennell stated that each Board
member had received a copy of the minutes of the March 18, 2002 meeting and
requested any additions, corrections, or deletions.
There not being any,
On
MOTION by Mr. Churchill seconded by Mr. Fennell with all in favor the minutes
of the March 18, 2002 meeting were approved.
THIRD
ORDER OF BUSINESS Consideration of Change
Order No. 1 to the Wastewater Treatment Plant Phase I Contract with Intrastate
Construction
Mr. McKune distributed the change
order and stated as you will recall a few weeks ago we had a rather large spill
because of a ruptured pipe. A large
portion of what is in this change order represents an attempt to forestall any
continuation of similar problems. We
put in new pipe that will replace the pipe that was put in over a 25 year
period in about five different expansion projects. Most everyone thought we knew where all of the piping was and as
it turns out that is not the case. This
was our chance to make sense of the spaghetti that was in the ground. We ended up with a plant system that will be
easier to operate and more effectively operate and doing what it needs to do. Item one is the addition of influent and
effluent piping for the old Plants A and B and for new Plant E. A and B represent the oldest of the four
plants. We have now successfully
removed the majority of that piping, some of which was leaking. That amounts to $52,023.60.
Item number two is the addition of
the 24" piping required and all of the labor during the emergency we had a
few weeks ago during the spill. The
contractor only charged for his overtime.
We had him working 24 hours per day for about three days. The amount of that item is $22,435.89.
Item 3 relates to the sludge
lines. We had a sludge treatment system
installed about 15 years ago that was not operated with any success. All of those old lines are still underground. About half of those lines were incorporated
into subsequent solids handling systems, the result being the operators
themselves didn't know where some of the wastewater and sludge would go when
they turned various valves. We have
eliminated all of the confusion and ended up with an effective system. The amount of that item is $16,485.94.
Mr. Fennell asked is that done or to
be done?
Mr. McKune responded it is
done. All of these are essentially
done. This work is done as they are
digging.
The final item relates to an
additional efficiency item for the two newest plants which are Plants C and
D. In the process of rerouting one of
the new 24" lines it ended up going next to and adjacent to the effluent
lines taking the treated wastewater from Plants C and D. We eliminated the design arrangement of the
piping and installed additional by-pass lines and valves to allow future
operational modifications and a future expansion if it comes on line for the
chlorine contact tank. That amount is
$67,421.52 for the additional work with a credit of $15,344.66.
That brings the total additions to
$158,366.95 with the total deduction being $15,344.66 for a total change order
of $143,022.29.
On the bottom of the change order is
the language requested by Mr. Lyles such that it forecloses on the contractor
going back against us for either time or additional dollars for these
items.
Mr. Moyer asked is that pretty much
all of the yard piping?
Mr. McKune responded yes. There may be some 6" lines but we have
basically excavated all of the areas where we expect to find problems like
this.
Mr. Fennell asked what did you find?
Mr. McKune responded all of the
lines, lines that were plugged, valves that would not operate. We took apart one 24" valve and the
operator had bolts missing, it was sheared and we could not get parts. We removed it. Removing valves in place in process lines cause a tremendous
problem. In that instance we by-passed
the whole system.
Mr. Miller asked is this a function
of deterioration from age?
Mr. McKune responded the non
functioning valves, the plugged lines, the leaks, yes.
Mr. Miller stated I presume when a
contractor is brought in, he is given all the plans showing everything in the
ground.
Mr. McKune stated we do and we like
to think that the plans are accurate in locating where the underground lines
are but they are never totally right.
Mr. Fennell asked are you re-burying
these lines?
Mr. McKune responded yes. At this time Mr. Moore and I are working
with the contractor in properly locating the lines, horizontally and
vertically.
Mr. Fennell stated I understand
there are devices you can use so that you can later detect them.
Mr. McKune responded we use those at
service locations. In addition to that
you can get magnetic tape to lay on the pipe.
Mr. Fennell asked are you doing
that?
Mr. McKune responded not on these
lines. Most of these lines are iron
pipe and are easy to find. Mr. Moore is
putting the locations in the computerized database he is developing. For the first time you should have a very
good set of as-builts including not only piping but also electrical conduits.
Mr. Moyer stated the reason for the
pipe deterioration that we discussed last month was because there were high
points in the pipe and there was an accumulation of H2S. In the reinstallation of that pipe are we
doing anything to address that with air release valves?
Mr. McKune responded yes, two major
items, one is put the pipe on a constant slope so the air if it gets in ends up
being discharged which is what we thought we had to begin with or if it is
unavoidable that you have a hump, we are putting in air release valves which
are automatic devices.
Mr. Fennell asked was the other pipe
as bad as the one you showed us last month?
Mr. McKune responded no. That was the worst.
Mr. Miller asked are there any other
pipes like that, that are of comparable age and composition?
Mr. McKune responded yes, there
are. The original force main that
brought in Ramblewood Subdivision comes in the front gate is an iron pipe that
has been in the ground since 1972. We
have been thinking about digging down to it and exposing it which is exactly
what caused the previous lines to rupture.
We want to drill into the pipe and take coupons out of the top of the
pipe to see how much pipe material is left.
We are still looking at optional ways to do that.
Mr. Miller stated I thought we
talked about this a few months ago as to whether or not we had a handle on all
the projects that we needed to do to bring everything up to date and we were
given a list and I don't believe this was on that list. Do you have any idea how this is going to
ultimately cost?
Mr. McKune responded this is the
kind of thing that we can't plan for.
It is difficult to determine what you are going to uncover when you
start digging. With regard to the force
main that comes into the plant, one of the options which is the cheaper option,
instead of digging up the one that is there and relaying it which gives you an
operational problem, we will simply leave that line alone, put in a new line
that goes down the eastern property line that ties into a newer force main that
then comes into the plant and we would simply abandon that old line. That is commonly done.
Mr. Moyer asked wouldn't the
extension of that concern be that, you have a lot of force main from 1972 in
the ground. Why would that force main
be any different from a force main anyplace else in the system?
Mr. McKune responded it wouldn't be
with one exception. You generate gas
directly in proportion to the length of time it has been in the pipe and
depending on the temperature of the line and the closer you get to the plant,
the longer it has been in the pipe so the propensity to form this corrosive gas
and resulting acids increases as you get toward the plant. Mr. Moyer is correct, all of the old iron
pipe is subject to the same type of problem.
Mr. Moyer asked can the force main
coming into the plant be lined if you could shut down the lift station
system? I don't know how fast they can
get in and line it but if they could, does that make any sense?
Mr. McKune responded anything can be
lined. You would have to take it out of
service, clean it and that would be a real job and I don't recommend doing that
because you need some structural integrity to reline. One of the representatives of CH2M Hill who is here
today is currently managing a $500 million program for the City of Fort
Lauderdale which is going to do a lot of renovations to the wastewater system
and this is the kind of thing that periodically needs to be done. It is unavoidable. These systems do not last forever.
Mr. Churchill stated the concern
being expressed here is we really don't have a handle on what needs to be
done. I am constantly in a state of
leaving satisfied that we know what we are doing and have taken care of the
emergencies and then we find out that is not so. As you said today, there is an unknown quantity of lines that
could be bad that will have to be dealt with.
Is this an emergency? Are all of
the pipes from 1972 likely to be bad?
Mr. McKune responded no, but I can't
tell you where they are bad nor can I tell you where they are good.
Mr. Fennell stated I have to believe
there is a better way to understand the state of the system rather than waiting
for failures.
Mr. McCormick stated I am spending a
lot of time in the City of Fort Lauderdale trying to find non-intrusive and
non-destructive ways to test these lines.
It is a problem across Florida and very typical because of the
temperature and the nature of sewage.
There is currently no non-destructive way of telling what the condition
of the pipe is. We have been trying to
find tapes that you can run down a line that will give a reading on the inside
of the line but we haven't found a way to do it around the nation on sewer
lines. They do it on gas lines and fuel
lines and oil pipe lines but they are not doing it on sewage which is a
different fluid and more difficult to handle.
The way people are tracking and predicting right now is they are
recording the number of incidents and then you pull a coupon and that is not a
very effective way to do it because when you pull a coupon you hope you are
hitting a spot that is bad. A coupon is
when you dig up a pipe, cut out a section of the pipe and check it to see how
much metal is left. The hydrogen
sulfide degrades the metal over time.
Primarily it is a high point issue in the line through construction or
if it is laid perfectly during construction you can get settlement and it
doesn't take much to trap gas and then you get a blowout. The quandary you are dealing with is what do
we do about it. Other than knowing if
you face that problem on these lines and possibly setting aside a reserve to
deal with this going forward and replacing those lines when you have a chance
or as part of your ongoing capital improvement program, there is not a lot of
predictive technology to work with. It
is something you have to anticipate and deal with going forward. You can look at your system and know the
older lines but a new line can do this if you have a high point in the
line.
Mr. Miller asked what is the outer
life span of the pipes that are 30 years old if there is no high point in the
pipe? Can they go 50 years?
Mr. McKune responded 50 years is the
normal life. The cast iron pipe people
will give you 100 years. We have seen
50 as common. Just about anything
should last 25 years.
Mr. Miller stated whoever is on this
Board in the next few years is going to have to deal with this from what is
being said.
Mr. Fennell stated except for what
we heard at the last meeting when a pipe in the yard that was not that old had
a problem.
Mr. Miller stated there is no way to
predict if that is going to be a problem.
That was more of an anomaly than something that is going to be systemic
in a few years when they start hitting the end of their life span. Maybe we should start budgeting for that
now. It sounds like it will be very
expensive.
Mr. McKune stated the force mains
that may have deterioration due to the gas are outside the limits of the
pavement and are relatively easy to find and dig up. The expensive system to replace would be the gravity sewers that
basically run down the center of the roadway.
Mr. Churchill asked what can we do
about this today?
Mr. Fennell stated we now have two
high power groups, Severn Trent and CH2M Hill. There might be more preemptive things we can
do
Mr. Miller stated if we have a study
done now, maybe we can see what out exposure might be. From what is being said, it is not cost
effective to go in now. We can get
another 20 years or more out of the pipes.
It is also something that if we see this as a huge problem down the
road, we may want to look at it soon to get an idea of how we will deal with it
on a long term basis so we are not scrambling at the last second to come up
with the solution.
Mr. Fennell stated maybe we should
be monitoring the quality and the occurrences and problems that we have and try
to get a prediction to see where we are.
We now have two sizable groups helping us and I think we are looking for
a more formal answer on how we can monitor this, what it will cost us to run
any tests and how can we be preemptive.
Mr. Churchill asked how do we
establish reserves?
Mr. Miller stated you have a range
where a certain percentage will last 50 years and a certain percentage will
fail sooner. Looking at that to get a
rough figure we need to know how many feet of piping will need to be replaced
and a ballpark figure.
Mr. McKune stated that exercise can
be performed if we could come up with a rational, defensible number over time.
Mr. Churchill stated I think that
needs to be done.
Mr. Fennell stated you may come back
and tell us the failure rate is slow and occurrences are not as bad as we
think. The consequences of a failure
are much higher than they were when these systems were originally designed. We are asking for Severn Trent and our new
engineering firm to come up with an engineering study and tell us what we can
do to try to predict this. Should we
just be monitoring these things in our system and are there any predictive
systems available that we can adapt.
Mr. Miller stated also if possible
how many feet of exposure do we have and the cost of dealing with that once it
starts to wear out.
Mr. Fennell asked when can we expect
that report?
Mr. McCormick stated rather than
asking for a report, why don't you ask for a proposal of how you go about
getting that information, getting to the point you want to get to. You are asking for something similar to the
MOMS Program, Management Operation and Maintenance, EPA driven program.
Mr. Miller stated my thinking is
that Gee & Jenson have been the engineers from the beginning. The records should be available as to how
much pipe is in the ground. There are
probably studies showing failure rates.
You can come up with the cost. I
think it is all information readily available.
Mr. McCormick stated we can give you
a proposal and lay out the intent.
Mr. Fennell asked why don't you come
back next month and tell us what it will take to get us an answer. We are looking for an answer in two or three
months. if it takes longer than that
and if it takes too much cost, you have gone too far. You should be able to come up with this with 20 to 30 hours of engineering
time. You should know all of these
things such as probabilities of failure.
Next month you can give us a proposal.
Mr. McKune stated we will make it an
agenda item.
Mr. Churchill stated when I see a
change order I feel that we forgot something and we are now reacting to
it. This isn't really a change.
Mr. Fennell asked does it make a
difference from a legal standpoint of what we call this?
Mr. McKune stated that is what it is
called in the contract documents.
Mr. Lyles stated it can be given
another label but having been through a lot of these in a lot of different
contexts, change order is a term that has become a term of art. It is part of the vernacular of public works
construction projects and it covers a multitude of things. As you correctly point out, this is not a
change in the project. It is an
emergency condition encountered in the field and it had to be dealt with but
they are universally referred to as change orders because it is a change to the
payment items spelled out in the original contract document.
Mr. Churchill stated I understand.
On MOTION by Mr. Miller seconded by
Mr. Churchill with all in favor Change Order No. 1 to the Wastewater Treatment
Plant Phase I Contract with Intrastate Construction in the amount of
$143,022.29 was approved.
FOURTH ORDER OF BUSINESS Staff Reports
A. Attorney
There
not being any, the next item followed.
B. Engineer
1. Monthly
Water & Sewer Charts
2. Update
on Construction
Mr.
McCormick gave a brief presentation on the background of CH2M Hill,
the reasons for the merger with Gee & Jenson and the increased resources
available to the District.
C. Superintendent
There
not being any, the next item followed.
D. Complaints
Mr.
Miller asked for the list of emails.
Ms.
Archer stated I will take care of that.
Mr.
Moyer stated most of the time when there is truly a complaint that has any sort
of merit, it does end up in front of you such as the people from Eagle Trace,
and the odor complaints.
Ms.
Archer stated I drove the Sawgrass very slowly and in most all the other areas
it looks like all that property on that side of the canal is being maintained
by the homeowners associations. There
are trees growing along the top of the berm and grass going down both
sides. It looks like the associations
have taken over the responsibility of maintaining that because they are the
ones benefiting from that view except in a couple of isolated areas like Eagle
Trace.
FIFTH
ORDER OF BUSINESS Supervisor's Requests
and Audience Comments
Mr. Fennell gave a brief report on a
water planning meeting he attended.
SIXTH ORDER OF BUSINESS Approval of Invoices
On MOTION by Mr. Miller seconded by
Mr. Churchill with all in favor the invoices were approved.
Meeting adjourned at 5:20 p.m.
Clinton Churchill Robert
D. Fennell
Secretary President